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 Post subject: Fangio (not?) gone
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:44 pm 
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Leaving after season.


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 Post subject: Re: Fangio gone
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:46 pm 
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I didn't see that one coming. Loggins, sure. Fangio?

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 Post subject: Re: Fangio gone
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If Mully's statement is in any way reflective of the reality of the situation, the idea that anyone would choose Fox over Fangio demonstrates poor critical thinking skills to the point that said folks should be lit on fire to keep the homeless warm.

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There is nothing like losing to stir gossip in NFL circles. It's not unusual to hear one whopper after another. And when dubious stories are repeated often enough, they can be mistaken as truth.

With that warning comes a surprisingly widespread belief in NFL circles that Bears coach John Fox will be parting ways with one of his coordinators in the offseason. And it is not the guy you think it is.

Bears defensive coordinator Vic Fangio is rumored to be winding down his time with the team as part of a massive overhaul anticipated at the end of the season. It sounds like a tall tale when you consider the Bears' problem has been a lack of continuity because of injury and suspension, along with a number of less-than-stellar game plans on offense.

Most observers expect changes at quarterback, and Dowell Loggains has appeared on shaky ground virtually since the day he was promoted to offensive coordinator. The idea that Fox is displeased with Fangio or the coordinator is unhappy in his job sounds absurd but has been the subject of speculation for over a month.

"It has to be some kind of philosophical thing like you saw in Minnesota,'' one league source said. "It's so out of left field, it might be absolutely correct.''

The Minnesota reference is to the resignation earlier this season of offensive coordinator Norv Turner, who left the team just as the Vikings started to fall apart after a hot start. Turner's decision was a response to philosophical differences with coach Mike Zimmer.

Turner is an offensive guy who likes to attack with long passes off play action and was a student of the Don Coryell school of football. Zimmer is a defensive-minded head coach who prefers running the ball and using a short passing game.

It's unlikely the Bears would substantiate any conflicts within the coaching staff, so there will be no telling the veracity of the rumors until after the season. Fox and Fangio both come from a defensive background with the Bears running a 3-4 front in large part because it is Fangio's specialty.

Fox had always run a 4-3 scheme as a coordinator and head coach although he used a flexible front more often in Denver than in previous stops. The Bears have been building their team and drafting players to fit a 3-4 system, so it is unlikely they would change scheme.

The Bears' strength lies in its defensive front seven, where guys like Akiem Hicks, Eddie Goldman, Pernell McPhee and Leonard Floyd are best suited to a 3-4. Philosophical differences may refer to how often they use pressure packages or disagreement on coverage schemes.

Fox, insiders say, will return for a third season despite the team's failures this year. He will be reworking his offensive staff and now may also be looking at changes in his defensive staff. It's unknown if respected defensive assistants like Ed Donatell, who came with Fangio from San Francisco or Clint Hurtt, a carryover from the last administration, would want to stay without Fangio.

Fox came to the Bears with a reputation as the mayor of NFL coaches with endless lists of guys who wanted to work with him. Jobs in Chicago won't be as attractive if he enters a third year with a losing record and expectations waning.

With Fangio, the defensive players have remained believers despite all the losing. Without him, might they become agnostic?

There are always two enemies in the NFL — the one within as seen with doubt and a loss of confidence. And an equally dangerous opponent outside spreading rumors and disharmony to break a team apart.

The truth will unfold one way or the other.

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 Post subject: Re: Fangio gone
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:21 pm 
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It would be just like the Bears to get rid of Fangio and bring in someone to run a 4-3 again now that they have the pieces in place to get better at the 3-4

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:25 pm 
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Bears remain a joke. Who runs this team? Pace or Fox??


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The Bears are gonna finish 3-13 with a defensive coordinator who quits on them and then keep the rest of the coaching staff because a lot of dudes got injured and Matt Barkley threw a couple touchdowns on a team that lost eleven in a row. This team deserves irrelevance.

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 Post subject: Re: Fangio gone
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Need new ownership and a whole new management team.


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 Post subject: Re: Fangio gone
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What a joke. This is a train wreck.


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 Post subject: Re: Fangio gone
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The Bears are gonna finish 3-13 with a defensive coordinator who quits on them and then keep the rest of the coaching staff because a lot of dudes got injured and Matt Barkley threw a couple touchdowns on a team that lost eleven in a row. This team deserves irrelevance.

You misspelled 'contraction'.

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The offense is third to last in the league behind only an 0-16 contender in the Browns and the Stone Age Rams. Get rid of that guy. He doesn't do well and he doesn't log gains.

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"Fuck you, Loggins! Pace and I will not stand idly by while you California vagina sailors stab the National Football Conference in the balls with your shit ... offense"

Gentlemen, good football coaching comes from an area few dare to explore. -- Gene Balboa

I wanna see an offense that can be run all game long, all season strong. -- Tom Savarese

I'm hoping to see some good coaching from you today, fellas! -- Peter Cetera

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newper wrote:
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
"Fuck you, Loggins! Pace and I will not stand idly by while you California vagina sailors stab the National Football Conference in the balls with your shit ... offense"

Gentlemen, good football coaching comes from an area few dare to explore. -- Gene Balboa

I wanna see an offense that can be run all game long, all season strong. -- Tom Savarese

I'm hoping to see some good coaching from you today, fellas! -- Peter Cetera


You're a fuckin' loser, Cetera. hehehehehehehehehe

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 Post subject: Re: Fangio gone
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Get rid of that guy. He doesn't do well and he doesn't log gains.


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 Post subject: Re: Fangio gone
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I haven't been emotionally invested in this Bears season at all, but this development is terrible news. There are some nice pieces on this defense, and they were showing improvement under Fangio. Wtf?

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That's 2 Chicago franchises that are OBSOLETE.

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It would be just like the Bears to get rid of Fangio and bring in someone to run a 4-3 again now that they have the pieces in place to get better at the 3-4

That was my first thought as well.


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Bring back Lovie!

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 Post subject: Re: Fangio gone
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This is a repeat of Lovie with Rivera.

You would hear no complaints from the fan base if you fired Fox at the end of the year based only on his production. The solution seems as obvious as could be that Fox is the one who goes with Fangio becoming HC and Donatell his DC.

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Fox is a 4-3 guy. what a mess. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Fangio gone
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So in back to back years we'll lose Gase and then Fangio.

Unbelievable.


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I pay no mind to these rumors today. I wouldn't be surprised if this is just noise. In the end I predict Fox goes and Fangio is promoted at the end of the year.

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Bears DC Vic Fangio expects to return next season
1:08 PM PT
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LAKE FOREST, Ill. -- Chicago Bears defensive coordinator Vic Fangio said on Wednesday that he expects to return in 2017.

"I do [expect to be back]," Fangio said.

Fangio's comments come amid speculation the respected veteran coordinator may leave the team at season's end.

The Chicago Tribune reported Tuesday evening that rumors are circulating that Fangio and head coach John Fox are likely to part company -- a surprise development since the Bears (3-9) defense is the strength of the team.

"I wasn't aware of it [the speculation] but he [Fox] came and talked to me about it all nervous about it," Fangio said. "I said don't worry about it."


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Terry's Peeps wrote:
That's 2 Chicago franchises that are OBSOLETE.


And a day later both are back.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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That's 2 Chicago franchises that are OBSOLETE.


And a day later both are back.


Or black according to a DiCaro update.

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