Nominated.

By my count he had only eight seasons of high-level play, and he was maybe in the top five of best overall players for only 3-4 of those seasons. Players with less impressive credentials have made it, so I suppose he will too, but that just means there isn't a high bar I guess. Want to be clear here: he was an amazing player when he was on, he just wasn't an amazing player over a long period of time.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... atr01.html

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Wouldn't bother me.

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Dominique had to wait a year so he needs to wait a few years.

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That wouldn't bother me either.

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No way

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It seems to me in a league where now anything out of a top 4 draft pick is considered garbage a lot of borderline HOFers are going to get in.

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I liked T-Mac, but I vote no. He had a few seasons where he was a scoring machine, but his career ppg is below 20. For a guy who was primarily a scorer, that's low. His teams were also never very good. He and Yao never really challenged for anything in Houston.

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I'd say top 10, though there's a lot of garbage even within the top 5. The NBA, perhaps more than any other league, awards physical traits more than anything else. You've really got to win the genetic lottery in most cases to make it as a star in the NBA.

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I dunno, I know he did a lot of stuff, but I can't remember much of it. 1998-2003 NBA was a wasteland.

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Paul Revere & The Raiders are in

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If he gets in Benny the Bull should be there to greet him.

I thought everyone gets in to the NBA HOF anyway.

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No.

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At his best he was in Kobe's class but don't know if he really had longetivity playing at an elite level. The injuries killed him. Its funny just last week he was ripping someone for sitting out games.

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http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/2003.html

A case for: the 2003 Orlando Magic where McGrady dragged a team whose second-best player was Pat Garrity into the playoffs.

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I take it you're not a fan of the Shaq and Kobe years. Pretty good WC ball back in those days. Kings vs Lakers was epic. Garnett was entering his peak and Dallas was becoming a formidable contender with Dirk Nash and Finley. If YouTube existed back then then VC might be even more well known than he is now.

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I didn't fully understand the 1998 lockout, I just knew there wasn't basketball being played, and that when it started, the Bulls weren't going to be the Bulls anymore, so I peaced out on the NBA for a good long while. I missed most of Shaq-n-Kobe, VC, T-Mac, and Iverson ball-hogging and bricking their way through the Jordan-LeBron interregnum. I didn't start watching regularly until 02-03 when ESPN started carrying NBA games. I actually watched way more NBA than NHL up through about 2008.

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Well if you checked out during those years then you definitely missed this:



Pretty awesome symbolism there with the banners in the background as the new elites (VC, Mcgrady, etc) feast on a helpless, glorified developmental (Kornel David!) player after MJ exits the building. That picture pretty much summarizes the period youre talking about if you're a Bulls fan. Things didn't start to look up until Krause drafted Chandler and Curry.

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Yes, on this, the final day of Boers & Bernstein, let us one last time fetishize the sight of one man thrusting his junk in another man's face to assert his dominance.

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T-Mac had 5+ rebounds, 4+ assists, a steal and a block per game for his career. He filled stat sheets.

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Did not win a playoff series until he was 12th man on the Spurs his last season.

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Yes, that's a huge knock on the guy's career. I'd put him in the hall of very good. He had a great 5 year stretch or so statistically, but injuries really derailed him in the second half of his career. I would keep him out.

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I think C-Webb is also on the ballot and I'd treat him like most of us are treating McGrady...maybe giving a slight edge to McGrady in terms of who gets in first, if any of them do.

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Webber had a much bigger impact on the game of basketball.

It isn't just the NBA hall of fame.

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Didn't realize he's been on the ballot for a couple years now. This is his third year.

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Webber deserves to be in for nothing else than that behind the back dunk on Barkley

Lets call timeout on Weber being in just yet.

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T Mac deserved to be in just for what he did to the Spurs in that final 35 seconds or whatever it was. That is easily of the most amazing things I've ever seen a player do.

Like Bagels and others noted, everyone gets in the basketball hof. If you go by their current standards, and you sort of have to, he's a no brainer.

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