Cunningham obviously had the better total career. My question is who was better at their absolute apex. My answer is Vick. My friends disagree.

Secondary question: was Cunningham a better player in 1998 or 1990? I say 1998. My friends also disagree with this. They are older than me so im tempted to defer but I still don't believe them.

Lots of old farts on this board. Help a brother out.

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Racist thread.

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Your friends are completely right

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Cunningham. It's not really close.

1998 was Cunningham's best passing year but he was more dangerous in the late '80s.

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At their apex it was clearly Vick. Dude was absolutely amazing.

As far as Cunningham goes, I would say it depends on what you are looking for. In 90 he was an athletic freak and could beat you with his legs. In 98 he was a better passer and knew how to play the game better. So I would say it is probably a toss up, but if I had to pick one to be my QB it would be 98

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I don't trust you. You're like two years older than me or something close.

Ken is old enough to trust but I have to disagree with the "not close" assessment. 2002 Vick was unfuckingreal.

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Correct.

That said, I don't have a dog in this fight.

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Shot in the dark, but what about Steve McNair? He was a blast to watch.

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Vick was never a consistent passer.

Cunningham wasn't great but you had to respect it. And he was better than Vick.

Running, at their peak, was pretty even. Vick was flashier with a better arm.

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Steve Young was better than all these guys.

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You have to admit McNair had a gun, though.

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Vick had one of the strongest arms you'll ever see. His problem was he never developed any accuracy.

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It could get him killed.

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I agree.

He was probably more effective as a QB with the Eagles.

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C'mon. Vick was clearly the superior runner. Did Cunningham ever line up as a RB more than once a game? Vick did, when he was 30 years old.

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So were dozens of guys. We are talking about two unique guys who can really only be compared against eachother.

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as far as accuracy goes they are both 56% completion % over their career

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Disagree. Cunningham was dangerous running the ball.

He just didn't look like Barry Sanders when he was doing it. He killed teams with his legs.

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Why? Steve Young was the same type of QB.

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At that point I'm not even sure Vick knew where he was at. His brain is chewed up.

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All that is true and Vick was still clearly superior. Cam Newton kills guys running the ball. Vick was clearly better than him too.

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56% in the 80's and 90's is far more impressive than 56% today

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As usual Dr. Ken is right.

Cunningham in the 80s killed teams.

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No he wasn't. Steve Young could run the ball. He wasn't in the same class as Vick and Cunningham though. He was 10x closer to Rodgers than those guys.

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So, not stepping on established posters' comedy bits didn't make the cut on the ol' New Year's Resolution list then?

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Clearly superior at what exactly? I'd say they were equally effective running the ball.

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I don't disagree but he got to learn from arguably the greatest QB ever (at that time) and he had weapons every QB dreams about.

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McNair was FAR SUPERIOR when operating out of the shotgun.

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How can you say they were equally effective? Vick had over 6000 yds rushing in his career which is like 1200 more than Cunningham had in a longer career

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