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Jay isn't bitter at all, is he? Two stations with little talent and yet he has no radio show. Hmmm.


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But he continues to work because he and other hosts are enabled by executives who confuse smut with cutting-edge programming -- and, by extension, attempts to drive ratings and profits.


If he thinks Chet is driving ratings he is nuttier than a fruitcake.

Marriotti is a dip shit. I suppose radio would be more interesting if the hosts found ways to take shots at Reinsdorf everyday. :roll: It's old and tired just like him.

I don't even think the self righteous prick believes what he is saying. He must not must not be afraid of heights because that is one tall fricken horse.


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and yet he can't sniff another radio offer. easier to sit on the sidelines and critcize than it is to participate, i suppose. as a talk show host, jay makes a great columnist.


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I feel like Jay made some decent points about Chet and North. But when you start saying that Laurence Holmes is someone to look up to in sports radio, seriously, what is Jay smoking.


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Don't forget that long before his gig with Around The Horn, Jay use to rip radio and television media while praising the printed media as the greatest thing ever. A few short years later, he has his column, the TV gig and a radio show and he is the self-proclaimed "king of all media."


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I'm surprised Jay hasn't told us what the sports radio ratings are since June of 2006. And if they're bottom feeder ratings, what were they when he was on the air? Just when Jay thought he hit rock bottom, the bottom fell out...

Jay's strength is his courage of conviction.


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I feel like Jay made some decent points about Chet and North. But when you start saying that Laurence Holmes is someone to look up to in sports radio, seriously, what is Jay smoking.


I guess what Jay is saying is that Laurence and Carmen (for the most part) always broadcast a pretty classy radio show.


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Holmes blows. Shotgun to the mouth radio. I don't care if Mariotti thinks he puts on a "classy" show. I'd rather have good radio.


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With Mac gone, lets get Marrioti and Harry on air together...its bound to end in a bloodbath with one taking every shot he can at The Chairman, and the other defending him on any and all accords.

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You guys are all missing the point of the column. It was all pretext to take another swipe at Reinsdorf.

Anyone get the feeling Mariotti looks and might even post here?


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I feel like Jay made some decent points about Chet and North. But when you start saying that Laurence Holmes is someone to look up to in sports radio, seriously, what is Jay smoking.


He was a little over the top with Chet but I agree about everything else.


I agree with you.

What I would like to know is how many listeners tune into sports radio? Not the share, but actual numbers. What does a 5 share of a demographic really mean in actual numbers of listeners.


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Jay wasn't so nice himself when he was on the radio.

Keep him on the pre-rigged around the horn where he belongs.

mr waddle is doing a fine job.
third times a charm.


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Jay isn't bitter at all, is he? Two stations with little talent and yet he has no radio show. Hmmm.


I thought this quote by Mariotti summed up his entire article:

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Was McNeil punished for a warped idea? Nope.


Mariotti is advocating punishing a talk radio host for giving an opinion. Whatever happened to free speech (within the FCC's jurisdiction of course) ?

Finally, it's not a Mariotti column without some reference to Jerry Reinsdorf.


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Jay isn't bitter at all, is he? Two stations with little talent and yet he has no radio show. Hmmm.


I thought this quote by Mariotti summed up his entire article:

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Was McNeil punished for a warped idea? Nope.


Mariotti is advocating punishing a talk radio host for giving an opinion. Whatever happened to free speech (within the FCC's jurisdiction of course) ?

Finally, it's not a Mariotti column without some reference to Jerry Reinsdorf.


:aaargh: Not you too BD! I've been over this and over this; freedom of speech has exactly zero bearing on private suspensions. None. ESPN is not bound by the First Amendment. Neither is WSCR. Nor is Bigfan, for that matter.

You can argue that the suspension was misguided or incorrect, but it did not encroach upon any First Amendment rights.


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Jay isn't bitter at all, is he? Two stations with little talent and yet he has no radio show. Hmmm.


I thought this quote by Mariotti summed up his entire article:

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Was McNeil punished for a warped idea? Nope.


Mariotti is advocating punishing a talk radio host for giving an opinion. Whatever happened to free speech (within the FCC's jurisdiction of course) ?

Finally, it's not a Mariotti column without some reference to Jerry Reinsdorf.


:aaargh: Not you too BD! I've been over this and over this; freedom of speech has exactly zero bearing on private suspensions. None. ESPN is not bound by the First Amendment. Neither is WSCR. Nor is Bigfan, for that matter.

You can argue that the suspension was misguided or incorrect, but it did not encroach upon any First Amendment rights.


I probably didn't say my original thoughts correctly - I understand that free speech has no bearing in the work place, but, at the same time, if we're getting to the point where a Jay Mariotti type wants to suspend a host for any slightly offensive comment, then we may as well not have radio.


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Yikes. STU and I agree again! :shock:

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It's a good thing Chicago's two sports radio stations, WMVP and WSCR, are bottom feeders in the quarterly ratings.

As one who has worked five-plus years for ESPN, does a daily TV program seen globally and respects the network's solid on-air standards, I'm stunned at what is tolerated at WMVP. Dan McNeil is a talented afternoon-drive host, but he narrows his audience and demeans his reputation with high-maintenance madness.


North is a crude, rude product of the streets who is stuck in the 1970s. . . {snip} So why is North still on the air? Oh, because he successfully curried the favor of White Sox and Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, who sees himself as a similar rags-to-riches story and placed North in his trusted circle many years ago. . . {snip} Shouldn't he detach himself from North to preserve his own public image?


Radio is a dirty, unscrupulous business in most cities, but Chicago sinks into the gutter with alarming regularity. .. {snip}

Yes, I've had two radio whirls in Chicago, both at WMVP, which qualifies me to address this topic. Believe me when I say there is no bitterness.


{As the “Church lady” would say:} Isn’t that special.

Chicago’s “best columnist” weighs in with his unique brand of opinion, this time it’s on the subject of radio. And guess what? Surprise, surprise, it’s all beneath him. A self-qualified expert with his three unsuccessful whirls on air, his love-hate relationship with Mike North, and his ongoing feud with all things Reinsdorf compels him to expound upon a story broken (and covered far more extensively) by the rival (better?) newspaper.

What can be seen as Mariotti’s primary strength has now become his sole strength, his propensity for words. He can fill columns, blogs, and now video segments with his words. With his constant stream of opinions, vacillating like a windsock while being shrilly proclaimed, he’s the undisputed chicken-little and chicken-shit of sports journalism. If sports columnists were judged on the number of words employed, Mariotti would deserve to be considered amongst the best world-wide, but for any thinking person with an attention span longer than that of a butterfly and cognitive reasoning above a 10 year-old Mariotti is the running joke that Chicago sports fans have had to endure for more than 15 years.

While there’s no argument that sports radio isn’t Top Ten stuff in the Chicago market, criticism coming from a guy who also had shows on stations that couldn’t register a rating shouldn’t be taken too seriously (Sporting News Radio). For a “journalist” with ethics and integrity, a clause restricting what he could say would be inappropriate if he wanted to host a radio show, but Mariotti has neither of those traits and thus makes Reinsdorf a sympathetic figure in what can be a dirty business.

He’s regularly taken shots at Mike North, some deserved and some accurate, yet when he was on the short-end of popular sentiment for “phag-gate” it was on North’s show that he went to try to get a voice in the matter. His own newspaper wouldn’t back him up on the matter, and much of the journalism community also turned their backs on him. About the only entity that I’ve heard come out in support of Mariotti is from gays in other towns, people who only got one side of the story.

And of course Mariotti’s fixation with Reinsdorf prevents him from going three columns without invoking his name. In some form or fashion a jab at Reinsdorf has become de rigeur, to the point that some now reflexively defend Reinsdorf while others see it as the point at which to dismiss whatever was previously written.

No bitterness? How about no credibility.

Mac, in the past whenever you’ve mentioned Mariotti as Chicago’s best I couldn’t help but roll my eyes while reaching to punch the button. What he just wrote about you isn’t anything new from him, maybe now you’ll keep this in mind before the next time you reach for his column to move your meters. Quoting from a bitter asshole that doesn’t like you just doesn’t reflect that well upon you.


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Remember when the Sun Times first promoted Mariotti with that stupid “Sports with an Attitude” tagline? I’m picturing Matt Dillon’s bald quasi bodyguard in the Chicago based movie “My Bodyguard” – hey Mariotti, does that tagline make you tough? The Sun Times also laced in Mariotti’s beliefs and philosophies. Something to the effect of “if a coach makes a bonehead call, I’ll tell it like it is.” Man, that is tough. Then I saw him throw jabs during Around the Horn after Kenny Rogers’s famous camera incident. More bald bodyguard - I thought you said this guy was tough? Mariotti looked like a little bitch.

I’m sick of guys like Mariotti and Telander, armed with a thesaurus and an agenda or ax to grind, who write what they think we should think. This is sports (print or radio). Know your audience.


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:aaargh: Not you too BD! I've been over this and over this; freedom of speech has exactly zero bearing on private suspensions. None. ESPN is not bound by the First Amendment. Neither is WSCR. Nor is Bigfan, for that matter.
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and yet he can't sniff another radio offer. easier to sit on the sidelines and critcize than it is to participate, i suppose. as a talk show host, jay makes a great columnist.


I find it interesting that every time new talent is sought, recruitment seems to come from the newspaper columnist/beat reporter ranks. Some of these guys make personable hosts; others don't.

If Jay should be mad about anyone, it ought to be Skip Bayless, who found a venue for his shock columnist skills outside of a newspaper.

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It's a good thing Chicago's two sports radio stations, WMVP and WSCR, are bottom feeders in the quarterly ratings. Otherwise, the perception might be that their hosts define the city. And heaven help us if we were personified by a collection of crude, disgusting cavemen who spew anti-Semitism, conduct ``hug a Black'' missions, make fun of people on life support, refer to a female TV executive as ``a bitch'' and react to Bill Wirtz's passing by asking which local figures should die next.

This isn't just irresponsible behavior. It's really sick and demented, making shock jocks sound like cool-jazz DJs.


I guess Jay is saying that the people who tune into these shows are bigger morons than the hosts themselves? These are the same Chicago sports fan who pay the over priced 50 cents to read his pile of shit on a weekly basis.

You do about 320 shows per year for 4 hours a day and if Jay expects guys not to say and do stupid things than he's a bigger asshole than I give him credit for. Mac is no choir boy and North has said more dumb things in a day than some have in a career. Regale us with the radio career of the great Rick Telander and how he up and quit and stuck it in the ass of J.hood while finding a way to slither out of WSCR.

Another winner from J. Biggest waste of time in the Chicago media next to his buddy Telander.

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I wish Mariotti would just leave Chicago all together.


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The problem with Jay is when he had his gig from 9-noon at ESPN Radio - coupled with his column - coupled with Around the Horn - he was the biggest blowhard tooting his own horn about being 'The King of All Media'.

He couldn't succeed in radio - so he puts sports radio down.

I'm sure the fact that Woody Page and Skip Bayless got 'promoted' to the morning show from Around the Horn really pisses Jay off.

He knows grammar and his opinions suck. He's a polarizing person - and the fact that we have a thread about him just feeds into Jay's aura.

Just ignore him, that's what I do.


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. easier to sit on the sidelines and critcize than it is to participate, i suppose. as a talk show host, jay makes a great columnist.


This is truly funny stuff. Your whole show is criticizing people doing things you could never do. Funny. BTW, I see you tried writing a column and it didn't do so well. You quit, right?


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Jay is correct about Pappy. Most people on this board agree with what he said. I'm glad a writer in town finally took Pappy to task. Our media writers never do it.

What Coppock said was obviously wrong. It was an anti semitic slur. Pulling his pants down in front of a women can't take place in a work place. But this is not usual for Coppock. He doesn't have a history of this in his 20+ years in radio. I think he's getting a little crazy as he gets older.

Mac is different. His suspensions were for shoving Harry and calling somebody a bitch. That's not that bad in my mind. Certainly not comparable to Pappy's stupidity and racist comments.

I agree with Mac. I don't know how he puts Larry up there as a ray of light in Chicago sports talk. Yes, Larry speaks well. But he's full of shit, patronizing, speaks down to his listeners, treats his audience like they're 5 year olds, makes simple observations and acts like he just split the atom, and isn't entertaining. If Larry ever has a clever thought or idea it's because he ripped it off from Bernsie. Maybe he's fooling the people who can't listen to Bernsie but not me.


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