MANY on this board could see this happening months ago...

http://chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=101413

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Rondo's playing chess and the Bulls are playing checkers

If I never hear the terms he's the man or its "his" team it will be too soon.

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YEP! He's trying to force their hand.

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What a surprise that Company Man Scoop has a somewhat-positive spin on the player speaking out of turn whose words don't have serious negative implications of management dysfunction. Rondo's words paint a clear villain that doesn't work in the front office, the implications of what Butler and Wade said reach as far as Paxson. Go figure.

My point was Rondo has no credibility here. That all disappeared once he got kicked off the Mavericks, a highly respected, well run organization that is intolerant of me-first egocentric has-beens like Rondo. Then he goes to the crappy Kings and is similarly dismissed from there. So now after being kicked off of two teams within the past three years, guys over here want to think he has grounds to criticize Jimmy Butler and Dwayne freaking Wade on leadership? Rondo and leadership? Naw man.

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This.

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To be fair, I think word is that Jimmy is one of those popcorn-muscled, look-at-me-sweating "leaders" like Adam Eaton who goes out of his way to show others how hard he is working and "leading", despite, you know, actually doing anything really associated with leadership other than talking about it.

i've changed my mind now...this is entering fun bad territory
i hope this gets worse and worse. Fuck all of them

To be clear, I don't think Butler is perfect as a teammate, as lyk and LTG and others have pointed out. That being said, I think the main story here is how Hoiberg has yet again allowed his locker room to spiral out of control. Did this sort of soap opera happen under Lovie? Under PJ? Under Thibs? No. That's because they know how to manage a team - Hoiberg does not. The same thing happened under Trestman. You can be as proficient as you want in terms of knowing how to play basketball, but if you can't get guys to fall in line then you're not head coaching material. Simple as that. A true HC wouldn't have allowed these things to accumulate over the course of the season, let alone not press the emergency button to squash all this drama between the team before it became a national story. Hoiberg is laughably inept and has ruined his chances of ever getting another HC opportunity in the NBA again.

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i want Sam Mitchell as the next Bulls coach !!!

Butler wasn't the player that he is now either. It isn't the locker room it's Butler. He was the person last season and he is the person this season. He wants to get the LeBron James in Cleveland treatment. It was bogus for Wade to tie his future to Butler's also. 35 year guy at the end of his career attempting to use a another player as leverage? That's foul. I think Hoiberg does have problems with management but I think that Butler is a prima Donna.


Smith and Friedell pointed out last season about how Butler isn't well liked by his teammates. I think Rondo spoke out because he is the one guy that has cred other than Butler and Wade. He also knows he has nothing to lose since he will be gone soon anyway.

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Wolves announcers wanted him first.

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no, he spoke out because he's a malcontent and a loser

Sam Smith is a Bulls' employee. He should stick to being the Beardown of Bulls talk - peddle bullshit rumors to drive readership. People may be mixed on Butler but as you saw from the article I posted several bulls players have expressed confusion regarding Hoiberg. He sucks. Wade didn't come here to win championships. I think it's pretty clear that he wanted to end his career playing comfortably in a city he liked and also make his mark on social issues in his hometown.

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Make his mark on social issues? He spoke out when one of his relatives was shot, and once he wore a hoodie to support Travon Martin. If he wants to do something to fix social ills then retire and get into community organizing or politics.

There was no reason to say that the only people doing their jobs were him and Jimmy. Do you think guys like Doug McDermott are not trying? He just sucks, and so does most of the rest of the roster. It's not about "wanting it more" or whatever rah rah bullshit. There was no reason to question the professionalism of his teammates. Wade and Butler clearly do not listen to their coach, so if the rest of the team is not playing the way they want who does that fall on?

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Holy crap . Long time Van Gundy is giving Hoiberg some verbal fellatio right now on Carmen and Jurko.
Nothing is his fault, all on the roster .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Van Gundy has always been a coach apologist. This is nothing that would be surprising. He also has it out for the Bulls front office.

He isn't wrong about identifying Gar and Pax has the main problem.

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A brilliant basketball mind that Van Gundy. Crappy roster led by a third or fourth tier best player. Recipe for disaster and GarPax need to be whacked.

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He's repeatedly said in interviews that he wants to use his voice/presence as a famous black athlete to speak out/up on issues that he feels are important.

I won't defend his comments - I'll just say that when he speaks up, it's worth listening. This isn't some irrelevant team cancer jackass like Raon Rondo speaking, or some cocky young piece of shit who hasn't accomplished anything yet like Cousins, this is a guy who knows how to win and how to lead. When a guy of his stature is compelled by circumstances to lash out in the media like he did, what does that say? And again he's not the only one to lash out - many other players going back to last season have said they have no clue what's going on. Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson, obviously Butler, etc. It says the locker room is dysfunctional and as the manager of that locker room, Hoiberg is accountable.

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Wade didn't criticize Hoiberg. He criticized the players. The locker room only became dysfunctional when Butler became the leader and best player. If Hoiberg is accountable then so is Butler. As far as Rondo goes he rarely has had issues with teammates. Ray Allen was the only guy and I never really remember him going public. You don't throw guys under the bus like that. Butler did it with Hoiberg, Rose, and now this year's team.

Wade also should never have gone public about his contract situation. People on here bashed Rose for discussing his contract stuff before the season started last year. Wade deserves criticism also.

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That's impossible to prove so the statement meaningless. And Butler isn't accountable for the workplace environment - that's Hoiberg. He continually runs away from decisions any competent manager needs to make.



Yeah he got along with the Mavericks so well that they rewarded him by declining to give him a playoff share. Do you just make shit up and expect that we'll assume it's true?



http://www.sbnation.com/2015/4/29/85154 ... gency-2015

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viewtopic.php?f=91&t=104139&p=2625798&hilit=rose#p2625798

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Why is it impossible to prove in Butler's case yet possible in Hoiberg's case. The dysfunction that you speak of is very much Butler's doing if he is the one constantly making the statements. Butler is doing the exact same things that guys like Cousins get bashed for. He isn't a demonstrative with it but it is no different. He is and has been attempting to distinguish himself from everything that happens with the team. He has been doing it since last season. Rondo called him on it and thank god he did. Noah had an issue with it also so it just isn't Rondo.

Butler throwing a coach under the bus (coincidentally after signing his contract) was the first salvo. Anointing himself team leader was the next one. Saying the lacked leadership was the other. Jabbing at Rose was the other. Now he wants to know what management has planned. That isn't his place and he hasn't earned that right.

Make shit up? Rondo by all accounts had issues with Carlisle. I didn't hear of any individual teammates. Maybe he did but I don't recall and if he did he never went public with it. That is my point. It should have been left behind closed doors. It hasn't been with Butler. Ever.

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I must have missed the part where "player" was mentioned. You are conflating the issue once again.

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I may be wrong about Islam. Vegan is terrorizing the hell out of long time guy right now.

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About time.

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LTG is all right, he just holds a wide range of contradictory positions on the same issue sometimes.



fuck off

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No you fuck off.

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You are biased in the mode of the Trump bashing liberal media!

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