It was a fake Twitter post. I didn't check it first.

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=59022491

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GO BEARS!!!

Julie DiNas

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Are you saying that women and PoC are the same? Dirtbag.

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Rondo firing haymakers at Wade and Jimmy

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Firstly, you seem to be living under a rock lately. Secondly, your guy Raon Rondo sucks and is about to be unceremoniously dumped from this third team in a row.

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Veganfan throwing haymakers at ltg and favrefan.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

This is the only Bulls thread I read today and it wasn't posted in here, so kindly fuck your self.

Also, there's no truth or evidence to the assertion that Rondo was unceremoniously dumped from the Kings. His contract was up and he left in free agency. I guess LeBron was unceremoniously dumped from Miami too!

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Raon has as much value as the rock you've been living under. I'll find stuff about his time with the Kings and post it.



Sad to see the otherwise honorable members of this here NBA section standing up for a disgraced point guard with no jumper, no future prospects, and no value whatsoever. Sad!

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It's pretty telling that you repeatedly said on this board that he got kicked off the team, but then claim you need to do research to find out if that's actually true.

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I can save you the time of googling it....

He left in free agency because he said the Kings were too dysfunctional on and off the court. The Kings best player was publicly upset that Rondo left and lobbied for him to stay. He wasn't dumped at all, in any sense.

And yeah Carlisle is one of the better coaches in the league, but he tried using Rondo off the ball as a spot up shooter, so I'm not gonna say he's blameless in acquiring a player and then trying to take away all of that players strengths.

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I prefer to respond to the post and not the poster. Rondo has cred on this one. Wade sits out back to backs and rarely practices. Can't criticize effort when you have this sort of thing going on.

Butler can't play the big me little you game with Rondo. He after all has a ring and is a 4 time allstar.

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Butler picks up 2 fouls in the first half and subs himself out of the game. Sky King cracks that Hoiberg was going to leave him in but Butler overrode it.

This motherfucker has to go and I don't mean Hoiberg. Yet.

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There are no winners here. This is the culmination of the owner not having much of a clue when it pertains to running a successful basketball organization without MJ. This is what you get after 18 years of front office incompetence.

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Jimmy is destroying his trade value right now.

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Didn't bigfan teach you anything?

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READS JUST FINE

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Regardless of Carlisle's misjudgement, Rondo as a professional should have handled it better. His teammates declined to give him a playoff share - says all you need to know about Rondo's conduct. No credibility.

As for the Kings, you're probably right. Here's my response: https://youtu.be/RRzsv4vHNDs

To be clear, my target here is Hoiberg and the front office. Doesn't mean Butler and Wade are innocent. But again managing personalities and getting guys to fall in line is the responsibility of the coach. In that regard this is the second massive failure on the part of Hoiberg in only two years as coach. He lied about Noah taking himself out of the starting lineup last year and he lied this year about communication with Rondo about his DNPs and then again this week about not being waived off by Butler. The players have chimed in this year and last year about a lack of communication about roles, how the plays are predictable, etc. That's simply not good management.

Then on top of all that, instead of Hoiberg taking control of the most recent situation, he hides behind his daddy who ends up being the loudest voice in the room after the whole debacle by calling a press conference to settle what is essentially a coach's mess to clean up. Pathetic. Where is Hoiberg in all this? He's too non confrontational to make it as a HC in this league. Grow up.

In addition to Hoiberg, I agree with those who say Gar Forman needs to get the hell out of town. The current and last year of shitty play and coaching are on him. The Rondo deal is the equivalent of the Ben Wallace signing back in 2007 or whenever it was. Absolutely mind boggling. Plus refuses to hold himself accountable as demonstrated by him refusing to take questions yesterday. So did Hoiberg by the way on the more substantive issues. Absolutely dumpster fire of a team right now and it starts at the top.

If you want Butler to tone the hero stuff down then find a coach who can put him in place.

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Vegan you are being dare I say it, a tad bit hypocritical. On the one hand you state that Rondo should have handled Carlisle better but on the other your focus is Hoiberg. The situations between Rondo/Carlisle and Butler/Hoiberg are "eerily" similar yet your takes are completely different. You are biased towards Hoiberg and thus you seek to give Butler a pass for repeatedly undermining the coach. Height of hypocrisy.

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Vegan you are being dare I say it, a tad bit hypocritical. On the one hand you state that Rondo should have handled Carlisle better but on the other your focus is Hoiberg. The situations between Rondo/Carlisle and Butler/Hoiberg are "eerily" similar yet your takes are completely different. You are biased towards Hoiberg and thus you seek to give Butler a pass for repeatedly undermining the coach. Height of hypocrisy.

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Nope. Not hypocritical. The situations are very different - Carlisle and the Mavs are former champions. They have a well oiled machine over there and a winning culture under an established and well respected coach.

Hoiberg from the very beginning failed to lead and players started chirping, as does happen in any type of work environment where the so called manager doesn't know how to manage. I said from the time Hoiberg was hired, and really when any coach is hired, that in order to win they have to first demonstrate the capacity to have guys fall in line. By that I mean the coach has to get guys to believe, to respect him, and to follow orders. Then on top of that the coach has to be good at coaching basketball. Hoiberg utterly failed the first test. He seems to not be good at the second one, but even if he is what he lacks in management skills undermines his ability to coach. He's assistant coach material at best at this level unless he undergoes a drastic personality change.

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At the end of the day there are two guys that undermined their coach. Your take on the two situations are completely different however.


To illustrate the point about Rondo even further all you have to do is look at his relationship with Stevens. He was a college coach yet Rondo never attempted to undermine him. He could have did the same thing Butler did an he didn't.

Butler is a damn jagoff and he has been that way ever since he got paid. Hoiberg can't bench him so your whole argument regarding managing isnt relevant.

GarPax hitched their wagon to this asshole and now they have to live with the consequences. Whether Hoiberg is a strong coach or not he should still be respected.

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This just means you've never worked under an incompetent manager. I guess that's a good thing personally for you, but your analysis is a bit myopic as a result. There's more to the NBA than the 48 minutes of ball per game.

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Was there this much hemming and hawing about what a raw deal Trestman got from the Bears a couple of years ago and how unfortunate it was he had to coach assholes like Cutler and Marshall? Not just here but anywhere, as one of the prominent sentiments I'm seeing from other Bulls sites too is how sorry everyone feels for poor Fred.

I've worked under a few in my day but I always realized that ultimately I can only be responsible for my own actions. I've worked in dysfunctional environments and I realized that I couldn't control the actions of higher ups. My options were either to stay or leave. Belly aching gets you nowhere and it makes for an unhealthy work environment.


Since you keep focusing on Hoiberg's inability to manage I will ask this

What can Hoiberg do to better "manage" Butler?

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They should because there were guys gunning for him out the gate. There were a few that never gave him a chance. You got a guy that has never won a damn thing (Butler) talking about what it takes to win. Where the hell has he ever led a team?

I don't know about Trestman because I never really follow the Football stuff on here.

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Well if we have to ask that question then he's simply not qualified for the job. Managing players is a prerequisite of the job. Rodman was managed, Jordan was managed, Iverson was managed, LBJ was managed, so Butler can be managed. You need to find coaches who can manage players and optimize the talent on your roster. By the way, it's not only Butler. Again, it's Noah, Gibson, Wade and Butler who have spoken out about dysfunction. That's a hell of a lot of smoke that you keep ignoring.

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Hoiberg isn't the one saying he can't manage Butler. You are though and I'm asking you to explain how he can go about doing that?

Actually they all haven't and dysfunction is a generalization. Noah was upset about being benched. Wade talked about isolation plays. Neither of those relate to dysfunction.

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I'm not fixated on Butler. That's your thing. I'm fixated on Hoiberg's control of the entire team - which is his job. Given the drama over the past two days, plus earlier discord this season with Rondo and him inexplicably not being informed about why he's being benched, plus the similar miscommunication with Noah last year and the criticism Hoiberg received from Butler and Gibson, among other things, it's plainly obvious that Hoiberg does not have control of his team. That lack of control explains the dysfunction, which is the absence of sound management. If your own conduct or lack thereof of as a coach produces dysfunction, then you're simply bad at your job. And that's my whole point. Hoiberg is bad at his job because he's failed at his primary responsibility.

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He didn't owe Rondo an explanation for that but when you talk about fixation I hope you realize that this isn't a thread about Hoiberg. Wade and Butler weren't even talking about Hoiberg yet you have twisted it to make it about Hoiberg.

When you talk about terrible coach that doesn't jive either. He is about where he should be and for what it is worth Jimmy Butler has had the best two yrs of his NBA career playing under terrible coach Hoiberg.

The only person that repeatedly undermines Hoiberg is Butler so the focus should be on how Hoiberg "manages" him. He doesn't have an issue with any other the player on the team.

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