Steve Jobs was fucking adopted.

Right. And if the EO was in effect in 1953-1954 there would either be no Steve Jobs or he would be forced to live in Syria.

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And if he was raised as a Muslim do you think he would have done what he did?

Probably. Nothing in his biological dad's recorded history makes me think otherwise.

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No, I don't agree with a ban on Saudis, either. It accomplishes nothing. The vetting process for refugees already takes 12 - 18 months, which as I understand it, is longer than a typical vetting process. There are already terrorist cells in the United States. The vetting process for refugees makes them much less likely to be radical than the ones that are already here.

You asked earlier what the positives to letting them in is. First, it's humane, and some of their displacement is a result of U.S. policy. You can act as though being noble or humane is some bleeding heart's wet dream, but I would then just call you a cynic who (like all of us) was lucky to be born here. Additionally, it creates economic growth. This is fact. A larger and more diverse workforce is better for the economy. Lastly, it increases the sentiment towards America abroad which right now is being dismantled. We need allies.

Your last sentence has absolutely nothing to back it up and almost makes me wonder if you're just trolling. By that logic, why don't we just ban all immigration? If you (and others) are not trolling, some of the generalizations you're making on here are pretty fucking offensive to people from that part of the world... and I'm not one of those people who just likes to call others racist or whatever, but you're pretty close... mainly because you have nothing to back up your generalizations about them all being stupid and poor or whatever. They are some pretty inhumane statements.

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They may be illegal,but still happen. Something being illegal never stopped someone who wanted to really do it. That right there is a false equivalency.

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You should look up the definition of false equivalency.

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Keep typing. You're giving Chas an erection.

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This is fuckin great coming from someone trying to argue FOR a ban on Muslims to make us safer.

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Then why are you citing that number of Americans killed by Saudi's? You got something against Saudi's or are you just saying stupid things because LOL DRUMPF IS FINISHED#IMWITHHER

Also vetting doesn't solve that much. They are radicalized via social media after they come here, or even if they are born here. not letting them in the first place keeps those children from being born here and solves the problem before it starts.


You know what isn't humane? Cutting heads off of people because they are Christian. Or assaulting a newspaper for making a cartoon you didnt like. Or shooting up a gay bar because it makes you feel uncomfortable. Or flying planes into office buildings. If morality is what is guiding you the last group you should be siding with is Islam.


Just look at what is happening in Europe. We have a test case that we can use to inform us on pretty much every facet of this topic, why do you guys refuse to acknowledge it?

Holy shit.

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Yep, I'm with her. I love Hillary. Always have. Check my posting history. I'm just mad because Trump won and my girl Hillary didn't.

Don't you think it's pertinent to mention that actual president who passed the actual EO in this conversation? Or are we literally talking about banning anyone of the Muslim faith from coming to America? If that's what you're suggesting, we may as well not continue the discussion. You're literally arguing to surrender, let the terrorists win, become isolationist, discriminate based on religion, and fold into the fetal position like a little beta cuck.

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We don't have a test case in Europe right now. That's the same as those idiots who say "why don't we just ban all guns for people and cops like the UK does and then we will have no more gun violence"

We aren't the same as Europe. We have very different cultures. They aren't as obsessed with guns. Point for them. We are a million fuckin times better at assimilating Muslims. Point for us.

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You just knew our obsession with bling and Doritos would pay off eventually. Those Muslims can't resist.

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Yes I would ban all Muslims from the USA and ramp up legal avenues for discrimination and oppression for the ones who are already here. It may offend you, but I dont care. We have a culture to protect and Islam presents a major existential threat to that culture.

Europe's prescription involves forceful relocation and probably military intervention within their own borders. I dont want it to get that bad here.

Wow. Ok then.

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Banning all Muslims from the US and encouraging oppression and violence against those who are legal citizens is a much bigger existential threat to our culture than radical Islamic terrorism. I think you and Chas are the only board members who don't realize this.

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FF go tour some of the Muslim enclaves around here and tell me how well they are assimilateing. In fact
Go to some of the Hispanic areas,we have not been doings real good job of assimilation lately with all of our PC and cultural awareness bullshit. We may be better but looking at it objectively we are not doing that good of a job. We have large sections of some major urban areas where English is not spoken as the main language,it is almost worse than the ethnic ghettos of the early 1900's.


And leash,Norway is starting the process of removing large segments of it's Muslim refugees because of their lack of assimilation and more importantly the massive increase in violent crime that accompanied them.

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We already have violent crime down pat so I think we're good.

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Objectively, we ARE doing a great job. By almost any criteria. Not sure you know what objectively means.

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Chas telling others to look at things objectively.

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It means without infusing your personal opinions.

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Are you working on a stand-up routine here?

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So you think, OBJECTIVELY, the best way to decide if they are assimilating is to go to cities with high Muslim populations and give you my opinion on them? You're the best.

Objectively would be to look at any available data and cross reference that with Europe(since that's who we are discussing in comparison to us)

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As far as I'm concerned assimilation can only be achieved if they leave the religion, and they just aren't leaving the religion.

btw- you guys act like its HORRIBLY RACIST to ban muslims. You know how easy it is to not be Muslim? You just leave the religion. Boom, that's it. No more ban, no more issues. Just quit believing in that garbage and I have no problem with bringing as many in as want to come.

So the constitution is up for grabs now?

If ignoring/eliminating the first amendment is OK now, I guess we'll move on to eliminating the second!

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Hopefully we can hold onto that 4th amendment a few more years. I like that one.

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It's not just the first amendment. We have MANY who have no respect for the 4th amendment.

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Great minds think alike, Farvio.

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