It was shocking to you that working-class people chose the guy promising to bring them jobs--requiring rationalization of bigotry--over the person who was advancing a high-tech economic agenda that heavily implied automation and was also barely running ads in their state?

I had met some of those people so I was definitely aware that they existed and weren't "deplorables". I just wasn't aware that as MANY people would buy his bullshit or dismiss his words and actions. I thought his ceiling was 45% and that was factoring in Hillary as the opposing candidate.

In the end Trump had MANY people who were FOR him. You don't win MANY elections banking on people to be AGAINST someone else. The people who are for a candidate always show up more than the people who are against a particular candidate. That doesn't change my personal shock and disappointment that so many people can be for a candidate like him regardless of his opponent.

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GO BEARS!!!

That's what I thought for a long time too, but it turned out it was exactly the opposite. It was her opponent that didn't matter. Outside the big cities people weren't going for her "I'm better than you, I deserve this, it's my turn, I know what's right, you shut the fuck up" bullshit. And then she called a whole lot of people deplorable just to make sure.

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You think celebrities performing at Hillary Clinton rallies are the extreme left??

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Clinton underperformed Obama in 33 states. If she had hit the Obama numbers in Ohio, Michigan and Florida she would have won. If anyone wants to declare that Trump's victory proves how racist the country is, sure they could make the argument, but Democratic turnout for Clinton was much lower than it was for Obama in key states. So I would not say an uptick in racism is responsible for that.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

You have to give people something to vote for, not just against, and the establishment media was in the tank for Hillary from day one.

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Well, there are a lot of people staring down the barrel of a 30-year mortgage feeling the squeeze of globalization and automation, so when one candidate explicitly states they are going to end one of those pressure sources, and the other might very well be cozying up to the tech industry coming for their livelihood, AND isn't running advertisements in their area, what do you want people to do, vote against their own interests because the candidate promising to relieve that pressure said racist things? That's a mighty big ask, my friend.

No the Julies and her ilk.

Celebrities aren't people.

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I understand how some people view the results and I am not saying that their take is wrong. I definitely felt differently and it literally took me days to get over the shock and disappointment.

I will always respect the office regardless of who sits in the seat. If I'm being honest I probably won't have the same reverence for President Trump as I had for every other president. He hasn't done anything to earn it either. I imagine most people who didn't vote for him in November feel this way.

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GO BEARS!!!

To say that the vote for Trump was primarily an anti Hillary moreso than a Pro-Trump vote is a copout. He had to beat 16 other people before he ever encountered her. There were MANY other candidates to choose from. They Chose this goof. They have to own it.

He was the only guy in the Republican field preaching racism and xenophobia. It is the one issue that truly separated him from other Republicans. The only time that his supporters became disenchanted was when he appeared to reverse course on his core issues i.e. the wall and the Muslim ban.

The notion that people simply charge any Republicans with thsee labels is also false too. The protests aren't about a Republican President. They are anti-Trump Protests. People are angry that this clown is now representing the Country. This isn't even about Hillary losing. She is done as a politician and as I stated before I don't want to see her comeback.

As far as Racism and bigotry being diminished no it isnt. Not by a longshot. His election proves that it isn't. He ran on a platform which sought to divide this country. He looked for it and he got it. Now people that support him are calling for calm simply because he won.

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No, he was the only one being brazen about it. Cruz would have been just as racist.


Come on, you don't mean that. You only want to withhold her, have the Democrats rally around a more left-wing candidate, and lose, so you can say you told us so.

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Cruz didn't run on a racist platform. Trump did.

As far as your second point why not? All I keep hearing is that "anyone else would have bear Trump". Well let's see. I want her gone for more than just that though. She has lost twice. Once that happens hang it up. She also will be 73 years old. Her time has passed.

As far as the other people go as previously stated why not? They will look a lot less attractive now that they aren't considered the viable alternative.

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Come on. Newt Gingrich was called racist for remarking Obama was "the best food stamp President in American history". Romney was labeled a racist for criticizing Obama's welfare programs in his campaign ads. Rick Perry's "Strong" video is one of the most disliked YouTube videos of all time, and he was characterized as a bigot for asking why kids can't openly pray in school if open homosexuality is accepted in the military (I never got Perry's attempted connection, here, but it isn't, strictly speaking, bigoted). This was as far back as 2012, too.

Desperately framing the stances and words of Republicans as racist or in any way bigoted is how many liberals greet one another. Don't try to pretend it isn't.

If in the quest for winning and repeat terms the same dog whistles repeatedly get played, at some point "leadership " has to own, or at least not whine about it biting MANY in their thin skinned hind parts

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It doesn't bite them in the ass. It bites democrats in the ass everywhere but urban areas.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

I don't think there are as many of these gender politicking "feminists" as some of you think. Their obnoxious behavior just makes them seem more common.

And they are definitely fucking obnoxious.

I was reading some Facebook comments the other day and someone mentioned a few people who could be the "face" of the Left. Their list included Bernie Sanders. Some stupid woman gets on and writes "Bernie Sanders is old and white and from the NE. He is not part of the future." Wow, what an inclusive statement. That attitude should surely win back the hearts and minds of traditional Democrats.

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Democrats have amassed the majority of popular votes in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections. We need to stop with the narrative that they are always on the outside looking in.

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They've lost more seats than New Comiskey Park.

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You think a large % of the women at the march weren't gender politicking "feminists"? There are a ton of Julie Dicaros in the suburbs. You know how many colleges are making safe spaces and banning/protesting anything that somebody else might find triggering?

So, are you saying that the women at that march make up a majority of the population? If you don't, it's a meaningless statement.

I'll give you some better anecdotal evidence. How many women like that do you know? Out of the hundreds or thousands I know, precisely one falls in that category and I don't even know her that well.

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That occurred on Obama''s watch and he has to shoulder some of the blame for it. These things tend to be cyclical and mobilization has been with the Republicans. Some people attribute it to gerrymandering but I honestly haven't followed it enough to blame it on that.

Democrats have lost their way. I don't think an emphasis on progressive ideas is the way to go but if that is where the energy in the party happens to be then they have to go with it.

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What is the way to go? Cultural liberalism paired with ruthless capitalism? "For every working-class voter we lose we'll pick up two suburban Republicans"?

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Republicans win more states though. It doesn't matter either.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

No. I'm saying they are being thought of as the people shaping the party and might be taking it in a direction that is not good.

I can name at least 3 people I know that are like Julie. I know of 2 groups similar to the Act One train of though that were started in DG. That's going to turn some people off.

I can't stand Trump. Said it from the get go. But I'll tell you what is more annoying, and I suspect it the reason places like WI and PA voted for Trump- I am sick and tired of hearing about white privilege, race, gender, sexual orientation, and the like. It's a damn near obsession among many. And that includes folks on both ends of the spectrum.

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You forgot material conditions.

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I think Progressive ideas are the way to go. They have to be reasonable. They should be implemented carefully and thoughtfully so they can be successful. This idea of being 100% on board with everything someone wants to do and celebrate it is absurd and not achievable. There has to be compromise, people will not get everything they want or at least, sometimes, not all at once. People can't lose their shit over it.

An emphasis on quasi Socialism is never going to be a winner.

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White amensia.

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It certainly had an impact, and I think it's why Sanders was appreciated by many Conservatives even though his economic philosophy is the opposite of theirs... His was not a message based on identity.

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