Moore chose to leave as a free agent though. You win some and you lose some.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

So says the guy that clamored for Lance instead.

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Rondo Calling out Butler and Wade on their bullshit was enough for me. He also has done an excellent job of finding the shooters in that offense the past couple of games. They are getting looks that they haven't gotten all season. They are missing wide open looks but at least he is delivering the pass.

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So if you admit that being a legacy franchise in a top three market is meaningless, does that mean I was in fact being objective during my earlier pessimistic posts? You said I wasn't being objective.



I never said they killed long-term hopes - I said the signings weren't indicative of a long-term plan. What improvement is there? They were 42-40 last year and are on pace for the same record this year. That's not improvement - that's stagnation. Congratulations, if that's your thing, but I don't want stagnation - I want progress, even if incremental. There is no progress. I am not advocating for moves that make the Bulls "instant contenders," mainly because such moves are exceedingly rare to pull off. Realistically, I am advocating for, obviously, better drafting and smarter free agent signings, such as young pieces that you may be able to mold into something useful, or young vets that you can use in the present and then possibly trade for better assets in the future.



I don't give a shit about Hoiberg - it's obvious to everyone that he's way in over his head. As I said, the signings don't make sense from a strategic point of view. From your scout's angle, it might make sense because Rondo jibes really well with the second unit, and Wade does a lot of nice weak side stuff. For me, I say who gives a shit - the team is .500, is going nowhere, and trading Rondo/Wade isn't going to get you anything. So they're dead weight.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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It goes to show just how lousy Brooks was, he had KD, Russ, Harden and Ibaka and couldn't win dick..smh.

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Which players could the Bulls have acquired last off season?

I will take Wade and Rondo over Calderón and Dunleavy anyday. Had they kept the team as it stood you would be no doubt complaining about that. You can only acquire what's available. After Durant there wasn't much left in free agency. I will take a 42 win team over a 25 win team anyday.


If they keep Butler then you have to put something around him. Calderón and Dunleavy couldn't be that.

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Beal
Whiteside
Parsons
Eric Gordon
Harrison Barnes
Batum
Afflalo

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Beal, Batum, and Whiteside weren't leaving their teams, and lets not be silly with those other names. If they signed Parsons or Barnes to a max deal, you and I would've been pissed and rightfully so. Gordon would've been an ok option, but hes not having a good year either. Afflalo is 31 years old so it doesn't make sense to be against Rondo and Wade because of their age but want him instead.

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This is really laughable.
Affalo is washed up and I was once a big Affalo fan.

The oft injured Eric Gordon isn't a guy that you snatch up either. He isn't even a starter on a good team at this stage of the game.

Bradley Beal is another always injured guy and he was never going to leave Washington so why is his name on here?

Chandler Parsons isn't that good either and I'd rather sign Wade for the money (which Garpax did) less years too than Parsons.

Whiteside would have been a good choice but he wasn't leaving Miami because they could pay him the most money. He was signing with team that could pay him the most money. That was clear early on in the process. In addition was the fact that the Bulls had already dealt Rose (which everyone wanted) for a center.


Harrison Barnes is the only miss on here. They should have gone after him. He is the only one that makes sense in hindsight. He is also an Iowa native. Hoi berg and Forman are both familiar with him. He is the only one that should have been signed.

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I didn't know afflalo was that old but I wouldn't rule him out because of age - I'd rule him out for strategic purposes. Would signing afflalo or even Wade and Rondo make strategic sense? Yes at some point they might, but currently I can't conceive of a strategy which involves signing Wade and Rondo to a middling 42-40 team in need of youth, athleticism, and shot creation skills. Doesn't make sense.

Those other players may not have left their teams but why not take a shot? You're not going to get the Durants and Hardens of the world so why not try for the Beals and Whitesides. I think Parsons got a four year deal. To me that's attractive because it quickly becomes tradeable if you can flip him for something better. I'm not following Harrison Barnes that much but I know he's a 24 year old averaging 20 and 5 right now. Honest question: would he be that bad over here? I don't know. Certainly seems like more of an asset than Wade or Rondo.



Like I say above it's about the accumulation of assets that can help your team or that can be used in deals to acquire more assets. Wade and Rondo have zero value. Eric Gordon for all his faults has more value. Nice trolling there with the Iowa connection between Hoiberg and Barnes.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

The reason for signing Wade was to put a competitive product out there this year and to get someone in here to help with recruiting the Durants and Westbrooks you want. Wade is a made guy in the NBA and it's reasonable to think that he would've helped with that. Problem now is this season is such a disaster I can't see him wanting to stick around or help recruit.

Jimmy Butler is having 10x better of a season than Barnes is, and you don't want him, so I don't know where you're going with that. I wouldn't want Barnes for that contract, even with how big the payrolls will explode over the next couple seasons.

Chandler Parsons contract would've set this franchise back 3+ years and been the worst signing since Ben Wallace. He's been an unmitigated disaster in Memphis, mainly due to injuries but even when he's played he's been awful. It would most definitely not be a tradeable asset.

I still dont know what you mean about why the Bulls didn't take their shot at Beal and Whiteside. There was no shot to take. They resigned with their teams. I guess they could have tried to pseudo-kidnap them like the Mavs did to DeAndre Jordan, but ultimately it wouldn't have made a difference.

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Eric Gordon is about to be indicted for all of the NBA money that he has stolen over the past 3-4 years. Unless you need a safe cracker he had little value. I wouldn't have taken a chance on him. There wasn't much to be had last off season and GarPax would have been stupid (which they may be) to tie that amount of money up in guys that aren't really good. The only person of value that moved was Barnes and he wasn't an elite free agent. He was simply the best of a bad lot of free agents. You can't say that the Bulls could have acquired "this" or "that" guy even after he has decided to resign with his team. That is simply disingenuous.

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