PG Grant
SG Wade
SF Jimmy GTD
PF Taj Gibson
C Robin Lopez


PG Eric Bledsoe
SG Devin Booker
SF T.J. Warren
PF Marquese Chriss
C Tyson Chandler

Injuries
Zipser OUT
Jimmy GTD
Canaan GTD

I predict that Felicio will come up big tonight. The more I see of him the more I like him.

Any night owls around here later?

ill watch it. what else is there to do.

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Internet porn?

oh yeah... ok. let me know how the game ends

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Jimmy had a terrific game in Phoenix last season. Huge 4th quarter. Reminded me of Ben Gordon always putting up great numbers at Talking Stick/US Airways Center.

Jerry and Michael Reinsdorf, along with Gar, are in attendance tonight. Hopefully the Bulls lose by 20 and they blow this thing up tomorrow.

Please don't tell me that Reinsdorf is still affiliated with the team!

We just can't lose to this fucking team!

I hope Fred continues to experiment with the Rondo/MCW/Grant/Wade/Taj lineup in the second half. That seems like a unit with precisely the right amount of offensive firepower to realize his system's fullest potential.

Could be right.

EGAD! we suck!

I'm hoping that GarPax realize just how stupid they are. I really hope they come to the realization that the only thing holding them back is Fred Hoiberg. I mean how can they not see that? A simple coaching change is all that is needed for this team to truly take off.


Is it too late to correct that colossal wrong that was the firing of Tom Thibodeau. You think that the Timberwolves might want compensation for even allowing Thibs to talk. I'm sure that at minimum 2 first rounders will be required to procure the services of his highness.

Do you think he can also bring Nate Robinson and D.J. Augustin with him too because after all those two combined with Thibs will insure an NBA championship.

You also know that the rehiring of Thibs isn't going to be easy with the TWolves having such a gaudy record and all. How can Paxson really be that dumb as to not see that all they have to do is rehire Thibs?

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All roads lead back to Thibs whether some want to admit it or not.

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There is no.Anti Hoiberg rant without corresponding love for Tom Thibodeau.

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I'm going to dig up a few preseason predictions. Maybe they will further illustrate and demonstrate just how much of a dumbass Fred Hoiberg happens to be. Conversely I also expect them to reaffirm the greatness that is Tom Thibodeau

Here we go. This ought to confirm for everyone just how inept and incompetent that Fred Hoiberg happens to be.

The Greatness of Thibs will also be validated as well. Or not.

2016-17 NBA season win total odds and predictions | FOX Sports
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ltg complaining about other people being obsessed with particular targets and past grudges remains rich as always. Thanks for linking that thread, where my one comment clearly showed my obsession with Thibs and belief that the Wolves would do amazing this year.

As usual the only thing substantive you can say about Hoiberg's coaching is that the team wasn't supposed to be good anyway and that literally everyone but you is criticizing him in bad faith. What did you think of that particular rotation that I posted about? Did you think it was likely to find much success on the offensive end of the court?

No I don't believe that it is a recipe for success. I fell asleep during the first quarter so I didn't see much of the game.

I will say this though. If the Bulls finish where all of the "experts" had them predicted to finish it is foolish to say that Hoiberg is doing a terrible job. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone that had them at 45 wins. I did and that looks stupid at this point. The Hoiberg detractors on here all had the Bulls finishing with a lousy to mediocre record based on personnel yet once they finish with said record it somehow is due to the coach.


As far Thibs goes I will continue to belabor the point. When he wasn't coaching he was the cure to all that ails. Few Hoiberg discussions could take place without his name being invoked. Now that he is actually coaching with his team doing terribly conveniently no one wants to discuss it. It has now become an "obsession". That is B.S. since it was the people on here that chose to have Hoiberg and Thibs linked in the first place. All Hoiberg analysis last season was always in conjunction with theories on what the great Thibs would have done.

You very hypocritically I might add, had no problem comparing the offensive statistics of Thibs and Hoiberg last season. Was that an obsession?

Now that he is being exposed as a coach you and quite a few others are trying to run from it. Was it an obsession when he was hired and no less than 3 threads were initiated touting the future greatness of Timberwolves basketball?


Now everyone has amnesia or worse Adamle like dementia whenever his damn name is invoked. Bite me with the hypocrisy.

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Glad my comment about a game you didn't actually see much of pissed you off so much to launch this string of replies. You love to accuse everyone of having an agenda yet here you are with 5 posts about a game you didn't watch, all prompted by my one line criticism of the offensive coach putting in a lineup with no shooting (a criticism you now concede as valid).

You are as negatively obsessed with Thibs as anyone ever was positively. I don't even know what thread you're referring to when you whine about my "hypocrisy" but it was most likely in response to you crying about Thibs like usual or perhaps in response to the notion that he was somehow holding the Bulls back offensively.

And it's hilariously convenient for you to accuse others of amnesia and running from threads given this gem from the season before; why didn't you bump it as much as the Wolves threads from this season? http://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopi ... 34&t=94850

That thread also shows why your reliance on predictions this season is so pointless as well. Hoiberg wasn't randomly dropped on the sidelines this year. Everyone who followed the league got an idea of what he brought to the table last season. His coaching talent or lack thereof was as much of an input for the predictions that the Bulls would finish with a mediocre record this season as the personnel.

Your obession with Hoiberg is much greater by the way. You can't go a single game (conveniently whenever they lose) without pointing out his ineptitude. You are the same hypocrite that bashed Garpax for the Wade and Rondo moves all while blaming everything on Hoiberg. It can't be both. Either the Bulls have talent or they don't.

Once again as far as Thibs goes you had no problem touting his greatness when you thought it convenient. For whatever Hoiberg is or isn't he is still performing where he was expected to perform. Thibs isn't and now you choose to focus on my "obsession" rather than admit you had it wrong.

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That's a ludicrous oversimplification. Garpax and Hoiberg can both be bad/wrong/inept.

No it isn't. Where has Hoiberg necessarily been terrible if all of the prognostications have the Bulls to finish right where they are at now? Riddle me that Batman

If Hoiberg is doing such a terrible then what is Thibs doing? I notice how the Thibophiles are ducking that topic once again. Unsurprising. I'm perfectly comfortable discussing Hoiberg. Notice the difference. Probably not.

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Bad transition defense, bad rotation on defense, complete lack of progression by any young players (some are even regressing), the Niko Pump Fake (he went from using it terribly, to never using it, to now using it terribly again), "Jimmy is doing his job, I'm doing my job", "My vets wouldn't....", generally lackadaisical on 50/50 balls, overall poor situational awareness...I mean, pretty much everything that a head coach is responsible for (defensive and offensive tactics, player awareness and drive, controlling the locker room, progressing young talent) Fred has been an abject failure at, and it's only Year 2. It's not Fred's fault that the team can't stretch the floor, can't hit from behind the arc, and have a severe lack of scoring depth from the frontcourt and backcourt, but it isn't his job to do those things, his job, or rather his fingerprints, are on everything I listed above.

Hoiberg signed off on Wade and Rondo as much as anyone, so no, it's not the least bit hypocritical to slam the signings and also slam his coaching. As I said in the offseason, I don't want to hear complaints about too much heroball getting in the way of his system when he decided it was great to add two more ball dominant guys to stick next to Butler, especially when one of them that he enthusiastically endorsed (Rondo) hasn't been particularly good at basketball for a while.

Again and again, whenever anyone points out tangible shortcomings in his coaching, be it the herky jerk substitutions, the complete lack of defense, seemingly no authoritative control of the locker room, young players regressing rather than improving, questionable rotations, or awful plays off of timeouts, all you can do to respond is stick your fingers in your ears, whine about the roster, and say everyone's being a meanie because they love Thibs too much. You have no response to the point that the Bulls predicted record this year didn't just speak to the perception of the talent the Bulls had but also his very coaching ability. The season before that, by contrast, was when Hoiberg was an actual wild card. Did he live up to your 55 win prediction?

Finally as JLN correctly notes GarPax can suck and Fred can suck too. You are attempting to create a false dichotomy. Literally no one has ever argued that Fred is the main problem with the Bulls. What has been argued is that he's just another instance of GarPax's failures, just like their bad draft picks, just like the lack of any sort of free agency strategy, just like their insistence on holding onto guys so long.

Zeph just knocked LTG out.

Hoiberg sucks. Period. The Wolves, in a tougher conference, was taste more success (records, playoff appearances, etc.) than Hoiberg ever will.

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Now it's about the Wolves being in a tougher conf. They are currently 13th. This doesn't happen under Thibs coached teams remember. They are on pace to have the same record as last season in spite of the fact that Towns is arguably a top 10 player right now. Hoiberg led Bulls are 6 games better and yet he is a terrible coach.

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I agree

Yet again you miss the forest for the trees. This isn't about just wins and losses. It's about leadership, accountability, professionalism, and consistency. Hoiberg brings none of that.

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Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Until someone addresses how a great coach like Thibs can be 14 games under .500 despite possessing a plethora of young talent it's futile to discuss anything Hoiberg related. Again you and others never had a problem comparing the two last season. Now it's a problem.

The Bulls biggest problem isn't Fred Hoiberg. Whether he is a good coach or terrible coach won't make much difference. Great coach isn't going to take this team very far anyway. Each and every time they lose you are Johnny on the spot with requisite Hoiberg bashing.

The only way for Hoi berg to wear the terrible coach tag is if the underperform. They haven't if their record is where it should be.

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So Thibs with all of his cursing on the sidelines (which the Minnesota brass has spoken to him about) is a model of professionalism?

Hoiberg can have all of the defects that you cite yet if he wins no one cares. As it stands now he is 6 games better than Thibs even though the experts had them to be about even. They also have lost 5 of 6.

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The T-Wolves are markedly better offensively this year than they were last year (both in overall Pts/G and ORTG), while only being marginally worse on defense (in DRTG, in the absolute of Pts/G they're marginally better). And this year, they're missing their projected W/L by a whole 4 wins, compared with only 2 over all of last year. They seem to be a tad unlucky, as their SRS number is much closer to league-average than last year, but it's not resulting in that many more wins.

You know what the T-Wolves don't have? A national joke of a toxic locker room with multiple players taking shots at one another as well as the coach. The Wolves are probably a lot closer to the Bulls in overall team metrics than you would want to admit: the Wolves are within 1 of the Bulls in SRS, and the Bulls's Pythagorean W/L is only 2 wins better.

The young players aren't good and no one in the NBA believes it either. If they did there would be more trade buzz surrounding them. This is a Paxson issue. They missed on a few draft picks and it has hurt them big time.

If you think that the defense thing is all about coaching then what accounts for the Timber wolves terrible defensive rating? (I guarantee that this point won't be addressed) Thibs is reputed to be a defensive master isn't he? Why in the hell is their defense so terrible then?

Niko Mitotic is a bum. The other young guys aren't good either. They will get better with more experience but there isn't anything there.

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