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I'm not arguing that he is encroaching on the 1st. I'm arguing that, based on his rhetoric and general worldview, I think he would if he could. We are just fortunate to have strong institutions. You site Obama, and I agree - Obama took "shots" at Fox News, but his words were never this strong and they were much more specific (much like his refugee suspension was much more specific than Trumps ban ;) ).

It is also true that there have been presidents before who would have seized that power if they could, but I don't think there has been a president in modern times who was so unaware of what it meant to seize power that they wouldn't give it a second thought or couldn't potentially be reasoned with. Then again, maybe his lack of understanding is the reason why he will never truly be a threat and is a good thing.

I don't know... I think the general view of Donald Trump is very similar among most people with a bit of education... the biggest difference is that there are people like you who are able to laugh at him and shrug off his foolishness (which is fine as long as we don't become too apathetic and ignore real threats), and there are people like me who hate him out of principle and believe that if too MANY remain or become apathetic, he really could become dangerous. I just can't bring myself to laugh at someone so shallow, self-centered, ignorant, and entitled holding the most powerful position in the world. When he says things like that, it pisses me off regardless of whether it is truly "silencing" the press.

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Legal categories aren't always relevant when judging the consequences of one's public statements. In this context Trump is trying to (legally) undermine the press by suggesting all outlets except a few are out to get him by reporting dishonestly on his policies and administration. This is not a free speech issue but more like dishonorable conduct on the part of Trump for failing to understand that the concept of a free press means your bullshit propaganda is subject to scrutiny and can be publicly disproved.

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I'm not arguing that he is encroaching on the 1st. I'm arguing that, based on his rhetoric and general worldview, I think he would if he could. We are just fortunate to have strong institutions. You site Obama, and I agree - Obama took "shots" at Fox News, but his words were never this strong and they were much more specific (much like his refugee suspension was much more specific than Trumps ban ;) ).

It is also true that there have been presidents before who would have seized that power if they could, but I don't think there has been a president in modern times who was so unaware of what it meant to seize power that they wouldn't give it a second thought or couldn't potentially be reasoned with. Then again, maybe his lack of understanding is the reason why he will never truly be a threat and is a good thing.

I don't know... I think the general view of Donald Trump is very similar among most people with a bit of education... the biggest difference is that there are people like you who are able to laugh at him and shrug off his foolishness (which is fine as long as we don't become too apathetic and ignore real threats), and there are people like me who hate him out of principle and believe that if too MANY remain or become apathetic, he really could become dangerous. I just can't bring myself to laugh at someone so shallow, self-centered, ignorant, and entitled holding the most powerful position in the world. When he says things like that, it pisses me off regardless of whether it is truly "silencing" the press.


I can dig that. The relative comfort I feel in my apathy towards Trump is largely born from my faith in the system(s) checking his power, specifically the judiciary.

I disagree with it from a technical legal standpoint--and from a more strategic belief that courts should be incredibly conservative and recalcitrant in dealing with calls to use their ex parte injunctive powers--but Hell, look at how quickly Trump's executive powers were checked, in an area that even the courts recognize an extreme deference to Executive Authority! The system is prepared to deal with Trump going rogue, it doesn't need Julie DiCaro types making endless Hitler analogies.


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I love how a fews months after Michelle Obama's you go low, we go high, it's now "fuck off". Trump effect.

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Chris Wallace thinks Trump's media remarks have crossed the line and ate far worse than Obama's...

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Chris Wallace thinks Trump's media remarks have crossed the line and ate far worse than Obama's...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo. ... -sprint-us


What line? What does that mean?


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Chris Wallace thinks Trump's media remarks have crossed the line and ate far worse than Obama's...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo. ... -sprint-us


What line? What does that mean?



I'm not Chris Wallace. I report, you decide.

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What Trump said was incredibly stupid and inflammatory. So stipulated.


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Dude, relax. I think we came to the conclusion that we mostly agree. I'm merely posting a Chris Wallace interview.

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its the reason reddit.com is so wildly popular. depending on the forum, you can say anything you want so long as its constitutionally legal. most of their mainstream forums have rules that dont allow many things... but other forums like the political ones have literally been taken over by trump supporters and reddit hasn't killed it.

facebook and twitter are a joke. and dangerous to be honest. im glad they are anti-trump, but thats only because i am anti trump. it doesn't mean i think they should censor anything that is legal to say.


I think this is something that is getting lost. There's a hue and cry about Trump somehow harming the First Amendment by slamming reporters, when in fact Trump isn't stopping a single reporter from saying or writing anything they want about him. But not many seem concerned that Zuckerberg and @jack have the power to control so much of the information people receive.


An organization restrictions clearly aren't the same.

President Trump has literally tried to undermine everything that makes our country what it is.

He's tried to undermine our free and fair elections by claiming that millions voted illegally WITHOUT any evidence. Even republican secretary of states have publicly called bullshit.

He's tried to undermine our intelligence community and compared them to Nazi's

He's tried to undermine our free press by calling every organization that criticizes him as fake news. He does this even though he regularly lies or exaggerates MANY things.

He's tried to undermine our judicial branch by questioning the credibility of judges based on their ethnicity and calling them biased "so called judges" when they rules against them.

He's called our militarily weak and military leaders stupid

He's tried to undermine our legislative and executive branches

He's said that our nation and former leaders weren't morally superior to Russia

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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its the reason reddit.com is so wildly popular. depending on the forum, you can say anything you want so long as its constitutionally legal. most of their mainstream forums have rules that dont allow many things... but other forums like the political ones have literally been taken over by trump supporters and reddit hasn't killed it.

facebook and twitter are a joke. and dangerous to be honest. im glad they are anti-trump, but thats only because i am anti trump. it doesn't mean i think they should censor anything that is legal to say.


I think this is something that is getting lost. There's a hue and cry about Trump somehow harming the First Amendment by slamming reporters, when in fact Trump isn't stopping a single reporter from saying or writing anything they want about him. But not many seem concerned that Zuckerberg and @jack have the power to control so much of the information people receive.


An organization restrictions clearly aren't the same.

President Trump has literally tried to undermine everything that makes our country what it is.

He's tried to undermine our free and fair elections by claiming that millions voted illegally WITHOUT any evidence. Even republican secretary of states have publicly called bullshit.

He's tried to undermine our intelligence community and compared them to Nazi's

He's tried to undermine our free press by calling every organization that criticizes him as fake news. He does this even though he regularly lies or exaggerates MANY things.

He's tried to undermine our judicial branch by questioning the credibility of judges based on their ethnicity and calling them biased "so called judges" when they rules against them.

He's called our militarily weak and military leaders stupid

He's tried to undermine our legislative and executive branches

He's said that our nation and former leaders weren't morally superior to Russia


For some reason you want to grant Trump power he doesn't have. Wake me up when he slaps whining bitch Jake Tapper in leg irons. Then I'll take to the streets with you.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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its the reason reddit.com is so wildly popular. depending on the forum, you can say anything you want so long as its constitutionally legal. most of their mainstream forums have rules that dont allow many things... but other forums like the political ones have literally been taken over by trump supporters and reddit hasn't killed it.

facebook and twitter are a joke. and dangerous to be honest. im glad they are anti-trump, but thats only because i am anti trump. it doesn't mean i think they should censor anything that is legal to say.


I think this is something that is getting lost. There's a hue and cry about Trump somehow harming the First Amendment by slamming reporters, when in fact Trump isn't stopping a single reporter from saying or writing anything they want about him. But not many seem concerned that Zuckerberg and @jack have the power to control so much of the information people receive.


An organization restrictions clearly aren't the same.

President Trump has literally tried to undermine everything that makes our country what it is.

He's tried to undermine our free and fair elections by claiming that millions voted illegally WITHOUT any evidence. Even republican secretary of states have publicly called bullshit.

He's tried to undermine our intelligence community and compared them to Nazi's

He's tried to undermine our free press by calling every organization that criticizes him as fake news. He does this even though he regularly lies or exaggerates MANY things.

He's tried to undermine our judicial branch by questioning the credibility of judges based on their ethnicity and calling them biased "so called judges" when they rules against them.

He's called our militarily weak and military leaders stupid

He's tried to undermine our legislative and executive branches

He's said that our nation and former leaders weren't morally superior to Russia


For some reason you want to grant Trump power he doesn't have. Wake me up when he slaps whining bitch Jake Tapper in leg irons. Then I'll take to the streets with you.


I wouldn't take to the streets for that. Tapper may like it.

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I'd never actually heard this Milo guy, but he comes across as little more than an uninspired troll.

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Yeah, that's all he is. He made his name by glomming onto that Gamergate bullshit and then carried that over into being some sort of tribune of the edgy 4chan teens who like anime and fascism. He's an intellectual flyweight.

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I'd never actually heard this Milo guy, but he comes across as little more than an uninspired troll.


He's a homosexual Trumpet troll.

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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... o-to-speak

It makes sense why leash likes the guy.

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“We get hung up on this sort of child abuse stuff to the point where we are heavily policing consensual adults,” Yiannopoulos says in the video.

“In the homosexual world, particularly, some of those relationships between younger boys and older men – the sort of ‘coming of age’ relationship – those relationships in which those older men help those young boys discover who they are and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable, sort of rock, where they can’t speak to their parents,” he continues.

One of the podcast’s hosts then tells Yiannopoulos that his comment “sounds like Catholic priest molestation.”

"I'm grateful for Father Michael," Yiannopoulos says in response. "I wouldn't give nearly such good head if it wasn't for him."

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/320345-tapper-blasts-cpac-for-inviting-milo-to-speak

It makes sense why leash likes the guy.

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“We get hung up on this sort of child abuse stuff to the point where we are heavily policing consensual adults,” Yiannopoulos says in the video.

“In the homosexual world, particularly, some of those relationships between younger boys and older men – the sort of ‘coming of age’ relationship – those relationships in which those older men help those young boys discover who they are and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable, sort of rock, where they can’t speak to their parents,” he continues.

One of the podcast’s hosts then tells Yiannopoulos that his comment “sounds like Catholic priest molestation.”

"I'm grateful for Father Michael," Yiannopoulos says in response. "I wouldn't give nearly such good head if it wasn't for him."


Ha. Obviously, that paragraph makes me feel as weird as anyone, but he does that to be outrageous and get attention... and it works. He is very intelligent, and I highly doubt he is in favor of what he is describing, but now someone wrote an article and he became more famous. People will be outraged instead of just ignoring him like they should.

I don't even understand how this is news-worthy... I guess because he's the bigwig at Breitbart, but this is like getting bent out of shape about what Kyrie Irving or Ted Nugent or Rush Limbaugh or Lena Dunham says. The difference is I genuinely believe Milo doesn't even believe what he says most of the time, and he openly admits this frequently. The rest do actually believe what they say.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/320345-tapper-blasts-cpac-for-inviting-milo-to-speak

It makes sense why leash likes the guy.

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“We get hung up on this sort of child abuse stuff to the point where we are heavily policing consensual adults,” Yiannopoulos says in the video.

“In the homosexual world, particularly, some of those relationships between younger boys and older men – the sort of ‘coming of age’ relationship – those relationships in which those older men help those young boys discover who they are and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable, sort of rock, where they can’t speak to their parents,” he continues.

One of the podcast’s hosts then tells Yiannopoulos that his comment “sounds like Catholic priest molestation.”

"I'm grateful for Father Michael," Yiannopoulos says in response. "I wouldn't give nearly such good head if it wasn't for him."


Ha. Obviously, that paragraph makes me feel as weird as anyone, but he does that to be outrageous and get attention... and it works. He is very intelligent, and I highly doubt he is in favor of what he is describing, but now someone wrote an article and he became more famous. People will be outraged instead of just ignoring him like they should.

I don't even understand how this is news-worthy... I guess because he's the bigwig at Breitbart, but this is like getting bent out of shape about what Kyrie Irving or Ted Nugent or Rush Limbaugh or Lena Dunham says. The difference is I genuinely believe Milo doesn't even believe what he says most of the time, and he openly admits this frequently. The rest do actually believe what they say.


Come on! There are some subjects that even trolls know to avoid. Child rape is near the of the list.

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Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/320345-tapper-blasts-cpac-for-inviting-milo-to-speak

It makes sense why leash likes the guy.

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“We get hung up on this sort of child abuse stuff to the point where we are heavily policing consensual adults,” Yiannopoulos says in the video.

“In the homosexual world, particularly, some of those relationships between younger boys and older men – the sort of ‘coming of age’ relationship – those relationships in which those older men help those young boys discover who they are and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable, sort of rock, where they can’t speak to their parents,” he continues.

One of the podcast’s hosts then tells Yiannopoulos that his comment “sounds like Catholic priest molestation.”

"I'm grateful for Father Michael," Yiannopoulos says in response. "I wouldn't give nearly such good head if it wasn't for him."


Ha. Obviously, that paragraph makes me feel as weird as anyone, but he does that to be outrageous and get attention... and it works. He is very intelligent, and I highly doubt he is in favor of what he is describing, but now someone wrote an article and he became more famous. People will be outraged instead of just ignoring him like they should.

I don't even understand how this is news-worthy... I guess because he's the bigwig at Breitbart, but this is like getting bent out of shape about what Kyrie Irving or Ted Nugent or Rush Limbaugh or Lena Dunham says. The difference is I genuinely believe Milo doesn't even believe what he says most of the time, and he openly admits this frequently. The rest do actually believe what they say.


Come on! There are some subjects that even trolls know to avoid. Child rape is near the of the list.


People tell Catholic priest jokes all the time. Priests on South Park have children on leashes at their sides.

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Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/320345-tapper-blasts-cpac-for-inviting-milo-to-speak

It makes sense why leash likes the guy.

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“We get hung up on this sort of child abuse stuff to the point where we are heavily policing consensual adults,” Yiannopoulos says in the video.

“In the homosexual world, particularly, some of those relationships between younger boys and older men – the sort of ‘coming of age’ relationship – those relationships in which those older men help those young boys discover who they are and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable, sort of rock, where they can’t speak to their parents,” he continues.

One of the podcast’s hosts then tells Yiannopoulos that his comment “sounds like Catholic priest molestation.”

"I'm grateful for Father Michael," Yiannopoulos says in response. "I wouldn't give nearly such good head if it wasn't for him."


Ha. Obviously, that paragraph makes me feel as weird as anyone, but he does that to be outrageous and get attention... and it works. He is very intelligent, and I highly doubt he is in favor of what he is describing, but now someone wrote an article and he became more famous. People will be outraged instead of just ignoring him like they should.

I don't even understand how this is news-worthy... I guess because he's the bigwig at Breitbart, but this is like getting bent out of shape about what Kyrie Irving or Ted Nugent or Rush Limbaugh or Lena Dunham says. The difference is I genuinely believe Milo doesn't even believe what he says most of the time, and he openly admits this frequently. The rest do actually believe what they say.


Come on! There are some subjects that even trolls know to avoid. Child rape is near the of the list.


Ruffcorn beat me to it, but there are TONS of Catholic priest jokes as well as other unsavory jokes told every day. The only time people get outraged is when it's either not funny or it's someone who they don't like.

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Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/320345-tapper-blasts-cpac-for-inviting-milo-to-speak

It makes sense why leash likes the guy.

Quote:
“We get hung up on this sort of child abuse stuff to the point where we are heavily policing consensual adults,” Yiannopoulos says in the video.

“In the homosexual world, particularly, some of those relationships between younger boys and older men – the sort of ‘coming of age’ relationship – those relationships in which those older men help those young boys discover who they are and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable, sort of rock, where they can’t speak to their parents,” he continues.

One of the podcast’s hosts then tells Yiannopoulos that his comment “sounds like Catholic priest molestation.”

"I'm grateful for Father Michael," Yiannopoulos says in response. "I wouldn't give nearly such good head if it wasn't for him."


Ha. Obviously, that paragraph makes me feel as weird as anyone, but he does that to be outrageous and get attention... and it works. He is very intelligent, and I highly doubt he is in favor of what he is describing, but now someone wrote an article and he became more famous. People will be outraged instead of just ignoring him like they should.

I don't even understand how this is news-worthy... I guess because he's the bigwig at Breitbart, but this is like getting bent out of shape about what Kyrie Irving or Ted Nugent or Rush Limbaugh or Lena Dunham says. The difference is I genuinely believe Milo doesn't even believe what he says most of the time, and he openly admits this frequently. The rest do actually believe what they say.


Come on! There are some subjects that even trolls know to avoid. Child rape is near the of the list.


People tell Catholic priest jokes all the time. Priests on South Park have children on leashes at their sides.


Comedy is different. No comedian makes jokes about how great raping kids is though.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/320345-tapper-blasts-cpac-for-inviting-milo-to-speak

It makes sense why leash likes the guy.

Quote:
“We get hung up on this sort of child abuse stuff to the point where we are heavily policing consensual adults,” Yiannopoulos says in the video.

“In the homosexual world, particularly, some of those relationships between younger boys and older men – the sort of ‘coming of age’ relationship – those relationships in which those older men help those young boys discover who they are and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable, sort of rock, where they can’t speak to their parents,” he continues.

One of the podcast’s hosts then tells Yiannopoulos that his comment “sounds like Catholic priest molestation.”

"I'm grateful for Father Michael," Yiannopoulos says in response. "I wouldn't give nearly such good head if it wasn't for him."


Ha. Obviously, that paragraph makes me feel as weird as anyone, but he does that to be outrageous and get attention... and it works. He is very intelligent, and I highly doubt he is in favor of what he is describing, but now someone wrote an article and he became more famous. People will be outraged instead of just ignoring him like they should.

I don't even understand how this is news-worthy... I guess because he's the bigwig at Breitbart, but this is like getting bent out of shape about what Kyrie Irving or Ted Nugent or Rush Limbaugh or Lena Dunham says. The difference is I genuinely believe Milo doesn't even believe what he says most of the time, and he openly admits this frequently. The rest do actually believe what they say.


Come on! There are some subjects that even trolls know to avoid. Child rape is near the of the list.


People tell Catholic priest jokes all the time. Priests on South Park have children on leashes at their sides.


Comedy is different. No comedian makes jokes about how great raping kids is though.

Louis CK did a bit on SNL recently that was literally about how great raping kids must be for them to risk doing it, iirc.

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I stand by my statement that comedy is different. I don't know if he said it like Milo did either. I'll take your word for it.

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I stand by my statement that comedy is different. I don't know if he said it like Milo did either. I'll take your word for it.

No, it was different. His was obviously comedy. The "coming of age" part of Milos quote doesn't sound like he was joking.

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If I had to pick a troll I think I'd go with Milo over Ben Shapiro.

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Milo lost his book deal: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/us/p ... oulos.html

It seems like he was taking a libertarian view on the age of consent, and being is usual troll self with these comments as well. Probably make him more popular with his hardcore fans.

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Milo lost his book deal: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/us/p ... oulos.html

It seems like he was taking a libertarian view on the age of consent, and being is usual troll self with these comments as well. Probably make him more popular with his hardcore fans.

Pedophilia isn't a libertarian view

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Milo lost his book deal: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/us/p ... oulos.html

It seems like he was taking a libertarian view on the age of consent, and being is usual troll self with these comments as well. Probably make him more popular with his hardcore fans.

Pedophilia isn't a libertarian view



He wasn't promoting pedophilia though. He was taking about young gay men who are often confused having their first relationships with older men. I assume he was also speaking from personal experience. It's probably not quite as easy for two gay teens to get together as it is for heterosexuals, especially when you go back to when he was a teenager and beyond.

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FavreFan wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Milo lost his book deal: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/us/p ... oulos.html

It seems like he was taking a libertarian view on the age of consent, and being is usual troll self with these comments as well. Probably make him more popular with his hardcore fans.

Pedophilia isn't a libertarian view


He was talking about age of consent being arbitrary and that it's not for the government to legislate. He also made a joke about being good at head because he was close to his priest growing up. It's not anything out of ordinary for Milo.

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This idiot never deserved his book deal in the first place. What has he done but whip 4chan cretins into a froth over crap no one should care about? Nothing lost, nothing gained.

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