http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/21/europe/ma ... index.html

Fascism gets its stopped-clock moment. Fuck Islam and fuck the non-Muslim hijab-loving useful idiots.



"I will not cover myself up," she insisted. Let's see the libs sell a t-shirt with that.

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It is quite a quandary for politicians- Should you be open minded and dress according to custom or do you send a message that Islam's customs do not conform to western norms on gender equality?

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Hawaii (fuck) You

That's like asking whether my lunch should be a peanut butter sandwich or a hunk of lead. Subjugation of women precludes open-mindedness.

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You can take that up with DiCaro- both the peanut butter sandwich and the hijab.

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Has she stated any other policy measures during her campaign other than everything will be OK once brown people are kicked out of France?

Worked for Brexit and Trump so probably best to KISS, right?

She's in that weird right wing populist mold, which is no where near traditional right of center politics. It is a complete anti-globalization platform that talks about protecting workers and jobs by blocking out the forces that cause trade imbalances and immigration.

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Shout it out loud, Kirkwood !

Aha. My Economist has been MIA for a two months now so I'm out of the loop. I pretty much rely on it exclusively as my source of European politics/economic journalism.

Good to hear another experiment will be underway of Make Insert Country Great Again once we kick out poor colored people.

Funny. I finally let my subscription lapse in December. It was just getting tiring in the current political environment. I needed a break from 15+ hours of global political commentary per week. I used to listen to the podcast version mostly.

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I've made no bones about my belief regarding the way the world would be if it were controlled by an Islamic majority, but I think it's a little trickier than your statement above. If democratic Western nations are going to draw a line in the sand regarding their interactions with other nations based upon their human rights records we should be cutting ourselves off from China immediately.

My disdain for the hijab is as great as yours, but there is something to be said for "when in Rome..." I think we can separate honoring such a custom for the sake of engagement with another nation- as unpalatable as it may be- from cheering such custom on as something positive or God forbid, "empowerment".

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

You don't read, you fuckin' liar.

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True, I binge watch cable news. Qualifies me to be POTUS

The issue with this is Muslims force themselves into France under the guise of refugees. Then once in France they ghettoize themselves and try to change French customs, and when they dont get their way go full radical and unleash an intifada in metropolitan France with pretty staggering loss of life.

If Muslim visitors to France want to behave the way they do then French visitors to the Muslim world can as well.

Also Le Pen probably did this on purpose knowing the mufti had this policy about women well in advance. She's crafty like that.

Most Liban-Francais are Maronite Christians anyways and have been living in metropolitan France for a few generations. In Provence or Languedoc you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them and Occitanie/Narbonne French who have been living there for thousands of years. And if you could it would definitely not be by accent or customs. So common sense would say she is sacrificing those voters to win points with her base and perhaps grab a few headlines, but Maronite Christians are about as fed up with Islam and its craziness as any group in the world and this move was probably the entire purpose of the trip to court those voters.

I've noticed very recently that the words "immigrant" and "refugee" slowly seem to be becoming interchangeable or synonymous. Strictly speaking, the term "refugee" has denoted someone who was escaping persecution of some sort rather than simply a person looking for better economic opportunities. There is definitely a prevailing philosophy on the Left that a person should have the right to emigrate at will, especially to the United States, as if the Statue of Liberty were an open invitation for everyone in the world to come into the country without question and that disagreeing with such policy makes one a xenophobe or a bigot.



There's no doubt about it.

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A person SHOULD have the right to emigrate at will, and that is far from a left of center position.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

The problem with Europe is that their political correctness is essentially allowing the Muslims to commit crime in their society and then their society calls those who speak up against it "racist."

There is a lot of fake news with the refugees/immigrants. For example the Statue of Liberty was completely unrelated to immigrants when it was given to the United States. The poem, which is associated with immigrants, was added later.

The problem with the Left in America is that they are buddies with the Muslims, but they never really grill Muslims over their support of Sharia Law. Sharia Law and the United State Constitution are completely incompatible.

The problem with the Muslims coming to America is that they are basically like secret agents and nobody knows who the bad guys are till they show up shooting people. Ultimately, many of them secretly want America to enact Sharia Law.

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God is the uncaused cause of the universe. He had no beginning and has no end. He is not bound by the laws of the universe he created.

But of course we wouldn't make their women uncover on our home turf. They get to have it both ways while we have to be on their terms.

But yes, to call something created for men to control women "empowering" is first-order Stockholm syndrome. I saw some Catholic on facebook post "if we can wear veils to Mass, they can wear the hijab!", but, and again, not Catholic here, have Catholic women worn veils to Mass in the last fifty years?

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I agree that women shouldn't be forced to wear any type of head covering to visit an Islamic country, including and especially powerful politicians, and it's a good thing they are publicly attacking the backwards practice.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

That makes for a nice sign at a rally, but it's really not sensible public policy. You're talking about a world without borders. That's a grand Utopian vision. It's a nice idea in the abstract.

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I can't disagree with your points, but how far do we go? Do we simply disengage from these Islamic countries and others like China and Russia on principle? Is that even possible in the modern economy?

And it's been made worse by years of teaching children that all cultures are equal.

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What do we get from the middle east that we aren't now getting from North Dakota? I suppose to Suez needs to be kept open but other than that there isn't much. North Africa has a bit more value and we have a lot of textiles manufacturing in Indonesia (that is under imminent threat for the next four years) but the Muslim world at-large, especially considering its immense population, doesn't do a whole lot other than procure oil and buy weapons. Their #2 export is literally radical Islam.

Not that I go to Mass often, but I went every week as a kid, and I don't believe I have ever seen anyone in a veil. Going back 45 years most women had even stopped wearing hats to church.

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This was simply a publicity stunt.

"When in Rome" should apply when visiting...especially if we're only talking about a scarf hat.

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and even if they didn't, they wouldn't be publicly whipped for not wearing the veil

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Married men give women their last name to control women as their property. A hijab is so far down on the list of things to complain about.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

And this gets back to my original point- which approach is open minded?

1) The when in Rome argument- understanding and respecting different cultures,
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2) Applying Western values of equality- not following the practices in other countries because we view them as submissive.

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I suppose that's true if you're not the one being forced to wear it.

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Curious Hair made the good point that "when in Rome" is a one-way street in this instance.

We have people in this country finding white supremacy in household products yet many are seemingly blind to the clear religious and male supremacy that are cornerstones of Islam.

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Ok, then should we stop dealing with Japan? They have very strong culture norms against women? Should the Scandinavian countries stop dealing with us? I know at least one of them has rules that require 40% of board seats go to women. I believe Brazil has a rule that requires political parties to run a certain number of women.

Once you go down this road where our norms are right and everyone else is wrong, you quickly end up boxing out the outside world.

Imagine if those countries said, well you allow abortion and drink alcohol, so we won't talk to you.

And go ahead and say we don't care about the Middle East. We don't need them, America style. I bet you'll care when pirates start raiding commercial ships in all those waterways or goods can't get through canals. The more you talk and engage with the Middle East and China (or whomever), the more likely you are to move them closer to our values rather than using the my way or highway approach.

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