I don't care.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Well, fine! Good talking to you.

Have a nice day!

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

Right. Some of the same people who don't think a Christian loon like Ted Cruz or Mike Pence would be near the White House are so fucking offended by Ben Carson saying he didn't think a Muslim should be president. I don't want any religious nutjob running the country. Unfortunately atheists are unelectable.

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Not true. Just shut your fucking trap about it.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

Because he said Muslim. He didn't say Muslim loon or religious nutjob.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Because Muslims are the enemy of conservatives and of edgelord atheists, two groups who are the enemies of the left. Too bad. Sometimes they get it right. It's a trash religion.

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The libtards won't even let you say "extreme Islam" or "Radical Muslims"

I am not crazy about terming devout Christians as loons or nut jobs or whatever terms people use. Even a mainstream church like Lutherans teach people to believe in a literal interpretation of the bible. Now, many members think that is crazy and yet we still attend the church. But for true believers that doesn't make them a nut job because frankly none of us has the answers about creation. Christians are taught to have faith, and that faith is really in a lot of stories that seem too good to be true. It is hard to know where to draw the line. CS Lewis (Mere Christianity) gave me enough evidence that there must be some sort of God. I spent a lot of time exploring my own faith.

Where politicians lose me is when they try to use their religious beliefs to effect government policy. That's why I can't stand guys like Cruz who are frankly using religion as a political weapon. In my ideal world, church and state are truly separate, and our leaders act in the best interest of all citizens regardless of their beliefs.

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I don't think he was talking about a "Muslim" who didn't actually believe in Islamic doctrine. Bill Clinton is a "Christian". Do you consider him the same as Mike Pence?

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trump isn't atheist?

I think you're probably touching on the real answer to Caller Bob's question. In the U.S. Christianity is the default.

But if you TRULY have religious beliefs how could you possibly not have them affect government policy? You wouldn't be much of a Christian, Muslim, etc. if you did.

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No I don't. Carson left it at "Muslim" for a reason. He was trying to pander to a group of voters who hate ALL Muslims. If he would have said "We don't need a radical Muslim or Muslim nutjob" MANY wouldn't disagree.

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GO BEARS!!!

Her Chief of Staff was arrested today.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4249970/Marine-Le-Pen-s-bodyguard-chief-staff-arrested.html

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If the Keith Ellison's of the political world ever get "real" power in DC, their domestic policy on social issues will make the stuff from guys like Pence, Cruz, Santrorm look like child's play.

Disagree. #44 made it a point to never use the term "radical muslim". One of my few beefs with the man.

I think you're fantasizing about this supposed group that simply hates all Muslims for the sake of hatred, and frankly you're pretending that Muslim beliefs have nothing to do with how they are perceived.

If there was a group that espoused every Muslim belief and it was started last week by Milo and Ben Shapiro I am 100% certain you would not be on a message board defending it.

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It's because they're cowards and they know most Christians don't fight back. The Muslims on the other hand have killed people for cartoons. Even the so-called "moderate Muslims" don't dare speak out against the atrocities committed in "the name of Allah."

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God is the uncaused cause of the universe. He had no beginning and has no end. He is not bound by the laws of the universe he created.

Your values certainly guide your actions. But there is a civil world and a private world, and I don't want those to intersect. It is one of the purely genius things about our country's founding in that the government does not get involved in religion. And for those on the right that generally despise the government, why would they want to mix the two?

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The right does not despise the goverment. They love big goverment.

Ok you go down that worm hole. I just never thought of Ted Cruz and Tea Party types as lovers of government. But yeah I know what you mean.

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Christian ethics are the foundation of western civilization. Regardless of what people think of Jesus some of his teaching is better than anything liberals have ever said. He said, "Do unto others as you would have them do until you." He simplified religion to loving God and other people. He also said to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you.

Ask yourself a question. Would a society that favored Christian values be better or worse? Would a society absent of lying, stealing, murdering and committing adultery better or worse than our current society?

On the converse in the 20th century between Communists and the Nazis, more than 100,000,000 people were killed. A society without God is not a society where anyone would want to live. Ultimately atheism is a poor foundation for things like free speech, equality of the individual and other principles that people take for granted in America.

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There is a fine line there though. The government is not supposed to be like the Catholic Church or the King of England who ran theocracies in Europe. But on the other hand freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion. An atheist government is not what the founders of the country envisioned either.

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God is the uncaused cause of the universe. He had no beginning and has no end. He is not bound by the laws of the universe he created.

Terrible argument.

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You can dress it up all you want, but this is a path to facism.

Empty identity politics gestures suck when Democrats use them and they suck when French nationalists use them too. One can dislike the hijab without pretending this is some victory for liberation or anything other than cynical red meat for her base.

There is no place where mixing government policy and religion leads to a good outcome. Religion is the basis for much of the strife among groups in the Middle East.

It is ok to have a government where policies are set that reflect the wishes of the public, and for people to practice (or not practice) their own beliefs as they see fit. The second you inject religious "values" into government, then you start down a road with sharia law, fatwas or a dictate from Rome about abortion and gay marriage.

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God is the uncaused cause of the universe. He had no beginning and has no end. He is not bound by the laws of the universe he created.

Wing Nut Daily?

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Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

So you want people to privately believe in doing unto others, but not to do that publicly?

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