I appreciate your questions and interest Seacrest. I am well aware of the contraception debate that ties into the healthcare law. Would you also like those plans to take away coverage for people who get VD's for having unprotected sex? Because nuns are paying for that coverage too.

The church can refuse service to devil worshipers.



I thought I was clear. I want private and civil stuff completely separate. And you seem to be making the case that I agree with government interference in religion. I am more anti-government than anyone here. But I sure as hell believe in live and let live. I don't care if gays marry or Muslims wear head scarves. In my world the government does not force health care down onto anyone.

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Are you arguing with Imaginary Nas? I don't want any religious nutjob to be president.

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But you're not concerned with a president insulting Christians. Which just goes to prove the point. There's no reason to be concerned since that type of rhetoric isn't going to cause them to riot in the streets and cut off heads.

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Why are you equating a physical trait that is an accident of birth with a belief system? That's really fucked up.

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There's no reason to be concerned with Muslims rioting in the streets or cutting off heads in response to Trump either. They would've done it by now.

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So then there's no problem with frankly discussing the issues with Islam.

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Nope. That's not what Trump's been doing though.

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In this country, the government selectively forces certain aspects of health care down peoples throats.

You can't have private and civil stuff separate. Unless of course you plan to feed the needy and clothe the naked with yourself and a million or so of your closest friends.

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I'm not talking about Trump. I'm talking about tiptoeing around some really fucked up ideas for fear of offending those who, I don't know, I guess supposedly don't hold those fucked up views but who would, for some reason, be offended by criticism of those who do.

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What president insulted Christians because of their religion?

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Nobody's tiptoeing around anything though. Is there something regarding Islam you've wanted to say but have been holding back? I doubt it.

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Not me. But are you really going to pretend here? MANY people actually blame the cartoonists. There are more apologists for bad Muslim ideas than there are Muslims.

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What does that mean? I really can't believe we're having this conversation wherein you're attempting to make a point by grouping people by skin color.

You're defending bad ideas for dubious reasons.

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Who's blaming the cartoonists? That'd be pretty fucked up and I haven't seen that. It's always possible to find examples online of anything you want to find but that's nowhere near close enough to being a wide held belief to merit discussion.

There's some apologists for the ideas, but not many and I think almost zero on this board. You can agree there are bad ideas within the religion without condemning all Muslims. That last part seems tricky for guys like you, CH, and others.

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Honest question for advocates of using the Bible as a rationale for our public policy: would you advocate for making Christianity the official religion of the U.S.?

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Do you condemn all Nazis or just their bad ideas?

Anyway, I've never condemned all Muslims. If you're a Muslim who doesn't believe there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his Prophet, that's fine. Otherwise you're just a religious supremacist with a bunch of other bad ideas that grow from that one core belief. I don't see why that isn't condemnable.

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I'm not advocating that.

Absolutely would not make Christianity the official religion of any country.

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I think the Nazi thing is ridiculous to the point of not requiring a response.

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Aren't white men a group of people? Haven't white men been the most powerful group on earth for at least thousands of years? Maybe now you see how ridiculous your views on Muslims are. As I have said MANY times my gripe with you is based on your insistence that virtually all Muslims are evil simply because they are Muslims. It's pure ignorance.

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Ok, good... Mini Ditka probably would, but anyway...

The danger in acknowledging allowing public policy to be affected by any religious beliefs is how far that could go. I mean, we can sit here and acknowledge that Judeo-Christian principles may have impacted facets of American government, but that's not something that should continue. Using an example like "do unto others..." is a bad example because it's a principle that any rational person probably agrees with. The problem is that there are parts of the Bible that aren't so easily digestible. We don't want laws that are impacted by the more primitive beliefs of Christianity. Also, there are MANY groups of Christians who all interpret the Bible in different ways. Do we want the Westbrook Baptist Church to start getting people elected and pushing their version of Christianity on American laws?

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Why though? Aren't they both belief systems? Why are you granting one such latitude?

Also, no one is being called a bigot for chasing Seacrest regarding Christian doctrine. Why do you think that is?

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You're the one being ignorant on the subject, and willfully so. If you can't see the difference between being born with particular traits and choosing a belief system to adhere to, there's no point in discussing the matter further.

And I've never said all Muslims are evil. But there is inherently evil stuff in any religious doctrine. CH called Islam a "trash religion". I wouldn't do so as it seems to be singling one bad belief system out. But there should be little doubt that the belief system causing the most misery in the world circa 2017 is Islam.

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You just can't stop with the false equivalences.

Being a Nazi is centered around white supremacy. I think you will find close to 100% of Nazis who believe that. That is the core belief. The only thing close to 100% belief in Muslims is that Allah exists and Muhammad is his prophet. Its just a terrible analogy.

Nobody is attacking Seacrest for being a Christian. At times, people may criticize some of his particular beliefs or ideas, but we already agree it's fair to attack bad ideas, be it Muslim or Christian. Nobody is attacking Don Tiny for being a Christian. Why do you think that is?

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It's absolutely not a false equivalency. You really don't think that believing I'm going to heaven and you're not and in some cases killing you for your refusal to believe is supremacy? All religions are centered on supremacy. Most are content to believe that supremacy will become apparent in the afterlife.



Because he doesn't often discuss it in this forum.

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You can't criticize Muslims without implying or directly stating they are going to kill non Muslims, which is why it's impossible to have a rational discussion with you on the topic. Until you acknowledge that you're wrong about that it will be impossible to convince you how bad the analogy is. And still you'll somehow manage to deny you're condemning all Muslims in the post following this. It's absurd.

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Didn't leash get Don Tiny to deny the most basic tenet of Christianity here recently?

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You're really wrong here. All you have to do is look at polling data. There is widespread support for the killing of apostates across the Muslim world. There are 1.6 billion Muslims. If 10% of them hold such beliefs, it's a massive number. Yet in your mind it's of no concern. On the other hand, that Spencer knucklehead gathering together a room of 200 drooling Nazis is cause for outcry.

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I have no idea. You'd have to ask them. My guess would be no though.

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I never said its of no concern. But by your own admission you are comparing 10% of a group who believe something to 100% of a group who believes something and still somehow have the audacity to call me wrong for saying its a false equivalence.

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