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Kawhi. Too easy

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I'm going with Dominique. Great offense beats great defense every day. Scottie is the best perimeter defender I've ever seen and Dominique shitted on him every game. Even when his body broke down Scottie couldn't stop him.

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Put me on team Kawhi. Bird couldn't drop a double nickel on him. Then again Kawhi wouldn't run from the defensive responsibility like Noque did

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Great offense beats great defense. No one was stopping Bird.

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It's really not close. Kawhi is better offensively and he's a million times better defensively. He could shoot way better and pass better. DPOY and Finals MVP already and still getting better. It's a silly comparison.

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He's not better offensively.

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Of course he is. More efficient across the board and beats him in points per possession.

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Not that you have to but I ignore the 3 point percentage for 80's players. Dominique was a great scorer. Leonard isn't. Dominique dominated the boards and played in an era where there were fewer teams too.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ido01.html

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You can take threes out of the equation and Kawhi is still a better shooter and scorer.

I forgot about rebounding. Kawhi is better than Nique at that too. 11.7 Rebounding % to 10.4.

It's a bad comparison. Kawhi went head to head with LeBron in the Finals in LeBron's prime and outplayed him. Nique couldn't even get to the Finals. Kawhi is going to be a top 10 player ever when he retires. These two aren't in the same basketball stratosphere.

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Just wondering... How close has Kawhi come to averaging 28-30 ppg for a season?

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Points per 100 possessions is the stat you want to use if you are comparing across eras. Ppg won't tell you anything useful if you're comparing players 30 years apart.

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He's having a career year but he's only averaging 25. He's not a great scorer.

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39.3 points per 100 possessions this year. Nique's career high is 40.5, and career average was 34.7. They are very comparable scorers. It's simply ignorant to use ppg. And Kawhi beats him in virtually every other category. It's ok to admit you're wrong.

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Dominique averaged 25 and 7 and shot 46% from the field over a 19 year professional career. Kawhi is at 15 and 6 for his career. He didn't out play LeBron either and let's not forget he choked away the Finals the year before. You're right they aren't in the same stratosphere. Kawhi has a long way to go to reach the heights of Dominique.

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Why would I focus on hypothetical Kawhi Leonard points when I can look at what he's actually done? It's insane to use bullshit advanced stats. Do they take into account Kawhi is playing in a watered down NBA?

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Oh. So I have to learn new fancy metrics for NBA too?

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You don't have to. It just helps so you don't sound as silly as Nas does in his last two posts.

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Why do they arbitrarily pick 100 possessions? To eliminate the fact the guys today play less minutes per game? It seems to me PPG and FGPCT should suffice.

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It has very little to do with mpg. It's simply common sense. If my team has 80 possessions and your team has 140 possessions and we each score 20 points, I am clearly a better scorer. According to Nas's caveman logic, we are the same at scoring. This is also why rebounding percentage is more useful than RPG. It's not really advanced or complicated stuff. It's very simple.

Fg% still suffices and Kawhi is clearly superior there.

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I get the metric. I just wondered why 100? Is that close to average possessions per team in a game?

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I don't know. I don't think it really matters though. The goal is to get a uniform standard across eras.

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What was MJ?

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Point me toward the line of believers of the Nique's an all time winner fan club.

I liked Nique but he was completely one dimensional and in fairness couldn't even sell tickets in Atlanta.

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The teams that Dominique played on in his career averaged 95 possessions per game. The 85-86 season is the ONLY year they touched 100. Kawhi has been in the league for 6 years and his teams average 97 possessions per game. The pace of play today isn't much different than it was in the 80's and it's higher than it was in the 90's even though the Spurs aren't normally one of the faster playing teams.

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It's not that simple either. There is no single stat that tells who is the "better" scorer.

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It's not. Points per possession for an individual player tells more about someone's usage rate than it does anything else. I'm sure Derrick Rose had a high PPP in 2011, but that was misleading. He was great, but he wasn't real efficient and he put up a ton of shots.

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Rose was efficient in 2011. A .550 TS% is very good, especially for a PG with a usage rate like you mentioned.

But again, we already covered efficiency. Kawhi is much more efficient than Dominique ever was. Given the data we have, it's impossible to justify saying Dominique was a great scorer and Kawhi is not.

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I'm not arguing in favor of Nique or against him. My point is that you can't just look at points per 100 possessions to find out who the better scorer is.

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