Well, it's official, Darkside is in the market for a handgun.
Something semi-auto, big enough to have stopping power, small enough to be used by DW, who is also a target shooter.
I looked at some 9mm and a .40 cal. Does anyone own these calibers?

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We had a gun thread a while back. I think I started it.

I like both and would likely buy one of these two calibers.

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I think a buddy of mine is trying to sell his legal, registered 9mm glock.

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Been to the Lake County Gun Show yet? It's the 2nd or 3rd Sunday each month, right here in Lakemoor. More gun dealers than you can shake a stick at. This months was last Sunday, but I will probably go next month...

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I am very opposed to Handguns. I understand the arguments, right to Bear arms, etc. I know damage can be done with any fire arms, but I would like tosee Handguns become illegal in this country and in order for them to become illegal they have to be illegal to manufacture.

Also want much more of a process to get a gun. It takes me 6 weeks to get a GC license, it takes me 4 months to get a permit, etc. but if I am not mistaken I can get a gun in 3 days?

I know this will not be the final cure for everything, but a single shot rifle is much harder to conceal, load and plan your killing, crime or other assoted illegal activity.

Then you can still go and kill your lice infested Deer and eat that for dinner and defend yourself from the british.

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BF, guns are more than self defense. There is also the sport of target shooting. I know that it may not be your sport, but there is a sport involved.
Once upon a time, it became incumbant upon the citizens of the colonies to take up their arms and use them, to remain free. To assume that this won't ever come up again is just plain silly. We may need to defend our country again some day.
Besides, making laws against it will only stop those that follow the law. People that want guns to hurt people or rob stores or whatever will obtain these guns if they're legal or otherwise. Who are you really taking the guns away from?
Illegal to manufacture? You must be kidding. You think handguns are only manufactured in the US? Cmon, that stops nothing.
A gun is a gun. A shotgun can be sawed off to be nearly as conceilable as a handgun. It is considerably more deadly.
You want to end needless death? Support conceal carry. Who wants to rob someone who might have a gat tucked into their purse? Can you imagine if a student or a teacher had a little problem solver in their desk at Virginia Tech or NIU?
No no. More laws are not going to solve anything. Chicago has had a handgun ban for years, and there is no lack of handgun violence. Handgun control laws do nothing to stop their use.

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I'm not big on guns myself. I've considered in the past getting a small pee shooter(a 22) as 'protection' but the risks outweigh the positives to me, especially with having two small kids. I think a person should be able to bear arms if they so choose.

Thanks for the heads up Darkside. I will be much more kind in replying to your posts.

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I don't have kids.
and I'd buy a fully automatic assault weapon if I could.
ya know....for shootin' cans.

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Here in the city of Chicago, municpal ordinance prohibits the ownership of handguns, so I cannot comment on this topic.

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I now know that Darkside Estates will be packing heat.

DS - have you been to Cabela's yet? Huge gun room with some very nice pieces.

Darkside Estates has been armed for several years now.
No I've not been to Cabelas, but I'll be at BWW tomorrow, ain't that in the area?

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I finally agree with bigfan on something.

I am more on the side of doing away with handguns all together rather than stiffer gun control laws.

There have been too many people lately who have committed senseless killings with no prior criminal record...

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How is doing away with handguns no stiffer gun control?
You can't do away with handguns any more than you can do away with CO2.

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I understand where you're coming from on many of your points, but this shit scares me. Are you talking about requiring teachers to be armed or is this just giving them the option? So, a nutjob comes into a large lecture hall (like Cole Hall in NIU) and starts shooting? What good is a student with a handgun going to do if he's at another end of the room from the shooter? How does everyone know the non-nutjob(s) w/ a gun is "the good guy?" Then the cops show up and see students holding guns like it's payday in Dodge City and they're supposed to react how?

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I would never require anyine to do anything they don't want to do.
I am not advocating mandating gun posession in a classroom environment at all. All I said was, if one person have a concealed carry, that could have saved lives. Could have. Not guaranteed to.
Dodge City? Hardly. I'm not talking about everyone shooting at everyone. I am simply saying you cannot eliminate handguns. They will always be here. There is no way to stop them from being owned. Lawbreakers who are willing to break murder laws are definatly not scared to break a gun law.

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you guys do realize that people would just buy small semi-automatics if handguns were illegal.

raise tuition and have armed security in the back of each lecture hall.

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Does anyone honestly believe that the right to bear arms will allow us to defend ourselves similar to the wars that have been fought on this soil hundreds of years ago?

Unless you plan on buying a tank, or an F-16, or some missiles then you might as well be throwing rocks at the invading or domestic army coming after you.

The days are long gone that everyone could grab their muskets and solve their problems against another military. The days of the people's militia are over and never coming back.

I always find it funny when someone brings up this as a point as to why we need handguns. I picture this person standing behind the wall of a Starbucks firing a clip out of his handgun at a massive Canadian tank trying to repel the strange talking, beady eyed invaders.

I'm not saying we should or shouldn't control guns, but if you think that the pistol under your desk is going to do anything in a full scale war situation then you overestimate how good of a shot you are.

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I agree that it would be nearly impossible for this country to do away with handguns at this point. That doesn't change the way I feel about it, though.

And I refuse to believe that the solution to gun crimes are(is?) more guns. I for one would not feel comfortable with everybody walking around with a concealed weapon.

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I hear what Bigfan is saying and agree in theory. But considering the huge increase in violent crime in just a few block radius of my house, including my block, I am pretty close to changing my anti-gun stance. People don't shoot each other as often in the nicer northside neighborhoods as they do over by me. Since Christmas, the GF's car got broken into, my garage got broken into (second instance), some stuff (about $10K worth) was stolen, and this garbage goes on all the time. And this is just what affected me personally. The hooker bust website that guys post here almost always features arrests on my block. Shot bodies are discovered every couple months.

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I'm against the right to bear arms. It served a purpose at one time, but is not applicable now, IMHO. Besides, the violent crime rate in the UK is much much lower than in the US... attributable to the illegality of handguns.

Side note: Did you know cops have to buy their own gun? Doesn't that seem odd? I would have thought that the government would want to supply them with the best equipment. Can anyone verify that cops have to buy their own guns?

Or that one person could have killed more by firing a weapon with minimal range from far away. Or they could get themselves killed by another student or law enforcement who mistakes that person for another nutjob. Even more guns in the hands of ordinary people as a solution to gun violence just freaks me out.

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I find it funny when people forget that the last attack on american soil was implemented with box cutters and 3 inch knives.
I get that you don't fight modern warfare with a handgun. Protection does not limit itself to canadian invaders. You might have to protect against a home invasion (happened right in Schaumburg where I lived in the Condos at Weathersfield and Roselle, two boys and dad were hog tied by home invaders and they backed up a moving van to the front door, told all the neighbors that they were the moving company )
Who knows, there might be a time when we need to defend our homes against our own government????
Let's say, for shits and giggles that someone blows up a dirty bomb in lake michigan hopelessly polluting our main water supply for the city with radiation. Maybe the collar counties would have to defend our wells against domestic threats.... Water would be a valuable commodity...

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This is not true. Cops around here are issues a .38 revolver or a .40 cal semi auto, but have the choice to purchase their own piece if they so choose.
The right to bear arms served it's purpose? Sorry but it's still in the Constitution. Get that repealed if you can.

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The mention of "K-Town" always makes me laugh. My next thought is inevitably to think "the wild wild west". But I always assumed Coach was near the UC (& I always waited on this post, unfortunately)

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Darkside,
My post was in response to this.

Sorry, but you were using a war fought in the 1700's with technology so poor that a team of 10 current marines could take out that army.

What does that have to do with guns? I'm pretty sure the people on the plane could have stopped them if they had known what was coming. Guns wouldn't have mattered.

Invaders to your home and invaders to the country are two different things. I was simply referencing that using the revolutionary war as a basis for currently needing guns is illogical.

No offense to your skill with a weapon, but you wouldn't last five seconds against our own government if they chose to. Any resistence to the government now would have to be done politically.

I would guess that the US Military could do a better job of that than a couple of guys dressed in camo with handguns.
I'm not saying that all guns should be gone. I think they have a place in society. I think having the option of protecting your home with one is a choice everyone should have. I, however, am not going to buy in that it would do anything in a time of crisis in anything more than a local level(stopping looting of your house, protecting against a lone gunman in your neighborhood).
You aren't going to convince me that if I go to the store and purchase a handgun that I will be able to do anything like what was done in the past.

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Not quite that far west. Western.

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