I don't think you know the definition of "bust"

define draft bust - Google Search
https://www.google.com/search?ei=5lHgWI ... jl7VOZNUyc

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I would say that anyone taken in the first round would be in consideration for being a bust.

If not where is the cut off for when a player is a bust or not?

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Typically top 10

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Lottery.

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Wow some of you have low standards from your front office.

If your 22 overall pick is out of the league in 5 years, I consider it a bust.

And we're trying to claim that there is an official definition of an NBA draft bust? Bitch pleeeeeaaaasse.

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Valentine will have a 10+ year career.

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There is a definition. I just provided it

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There is a definition. I just provided it

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Who came up with that definition?

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Valentine was the 14th pick.

Ltg is correct tho that a 22nd overall pick isn't really a bust. Those guys are rarely good.

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Even better definition and explanation of the term

Celtics Life: What really is a "draft bust"?
http://www.celticslife.com/2012/06/what ... t.html?m=1

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So you are telling me that if Jimmy Butler would have been out of the league in a couple years that Bulls fans would not have considered him as a bust?

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

I would not have thought of him as a bust. I didn't think of Teague as a bust either.

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Yes, I believe that is what we are telling you.

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There were no expectations on Jimmy Butler coming out of college. Bust term is reserved for guys that have big expectations placed upon them

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That type of thought allows for a shitty organization like the Bulls to not be held accountable.

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No, it's really just common sense. A bust is someone who performs significantly below expectations. That is literally not possible when there are no expectations. You're using a definition for bust that seems to be "someone who is not good".

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I have expectations for all draft picks. Those expectations do scale depending on where someone is picked. If you have no expectations for first round draft picks outside of the lottery, what the fuck are you doing as an organization? And how could you ever support not tanking unless you're a championship contender?

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What kind of league is this where anyone drafted in the second half of the first round has no expectations for success?

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Don't mind them. They've put a lot on Portis and Valentine, between the two, and now need to cover a few angles so it does not reflect poorly upon them.

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It has nothing to do with your expectations, or mine, or the Bulls. It's just how it is. This is where not following the nba closely hurts you in these arguments. Let's look at the guys picked 22nd overall since 2006.

2016 - Malachi Richardson
2015 - Bobby Portis
2014 - Jordan Adams
2013 - Mason Plumlee
2012 - Fab Melo
2011 - Kenneth Faried
2010 - Elliot Williams
2009 - Víctor Claver
2008 - Courtney Lee
2007 - Jared Dudley
2006 - Marcus Williams

So Faried is definitely better than Portis, and probably better than Portis ever will be. Plumlee is slightly better than Portis, but I think Portis will be a better player than him in the future. Courtney Lee had an ok career.

Portis is probably the 3rd or 4th best player drafted in that spot over the last 11 years. You need to recalibrate your idea of what a bust is at that spot. It's fair to call Fab Melo a bust I guess.

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Agreed. When you draft that low you're fortunate to find a rotation player. I won't bash any GM because he can't seem to find players at that spot.

Actually one of the best guys at drafting late was Zeek who most on here believe is one of the worst GMs in history. How is that for irony?

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I would take Fab Melo right now over Portis.

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Paxson's strength has always been finding solid talent in the draft. It's when he's reached that it's blown up in his face.

In hindsight though, I wish he would've "reached" for Russell Westbrook.

You'd personally take Dalibor Bagaric over Portis.

I remember reading the mock drafts that year and I was shocked when I saw Westbrook slotted top 5. He was considered to be the 4th best player on that team as I remember. Didn't have much of a game and was considered more defender than anything. Rose destroyed him in the tournament also.

NBA guys had him scouted correctly.

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And Lance Stephenson

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Seattle/OKC hit on what, 4 or 5 straight drafts?

Yep. Sam Presti was doing the drafting and he was money in the bank around that time. Harden was thought to be a reach at 3 but he had him scouted correctly. Ibaka was a helluva pick too. I don't bet against that guy when he locks in on a guy. Adams was a great pick at 12 too.

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The Bulls ball movement has been so much better with Wade and Gibson gone. Butler is playing off the ball more and trusting the other players. They look better overall.

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