And I wholeheartedly agree. I hate crony capitalism more than anyone. I was simply laying out the case that the revenue side is different for each type of stadium, and may be enough to justify the additional upfront costs. All that bitching about the Sox open day would not have happened in Miller Park. And if that game did happen, how many people would have no-showed?

The entire stadium financing issue is crazy.

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Kauffman Stadium is 44 years old. With the renovations they did, it'll probably end up being about 65 years old by the time the Royals want a new one. Realistically, New Comiskey should last the Sox through 2040. I can't imagine what they could possibly need that isn't there now, and a roof is a want, not a need.

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Sox and Bears are both less than 10 years from demanding new stadiums from taxpayers. The new trend is 20 years and obsolete. See Atlanta, St. Louis, Texas and Indianapolis.

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I think your time period is too big there. If you take out Wrigley, and Fenway because they are "classic" and they are basically rebuilt recently anyways they just didn't change the name then there are only 4 MLB stadiums more than a year older than New Comiskey. I think a new stadium becomes likely in the 2020s whether it is in Chicago or in the suburbs.

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Rick gets it.

The Sox are a sleeping giant.

I see the new owner getting a retractable downtown park. The most important thing is if it's not Wirtz, the new owner will be in good standing with Reinsdorf and Wirtz and the Hawks, Bulls, and Sox will continue their TV partnership leaving the Cubs to go it alone with their network.

Hard to argue. Nice joint even w/ the roof closed.

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Well, the Rams' stadium was a cheap piece of crap quickly slapped together for the relocating Patriots, who turned out not to relocate after all. And I don't think there was ever a real push to replace it; the play was always to get them back to Los Angeles.


Well, would you take out Dodger Stadium, Angel Stadium, and Kauffman Stadium? They're practically rebuilt too. I guess this makes the Trop the dean of major-league ballparks.

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Near zero chance of occurring.

I wouldn't bet on that. We just built a stadium for a college basketball team nobody gives a fuck about.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

The Angels stadium felt like a 1980s relic when I went two years ago.

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I was trying to not go overboard in making my case but you certainly could.

Wrigley and Fenway are different because of how much older they are.

It also will be interesting to see just how much the city pushes to get rid of the "sweet deal" that the Sox have in terms of rent.

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Oh, whoops, I forgot the Oakland Coliseum, probably because of my Raiders relocation PTSD. Yeah, don't let your plumbing fall apart and Comiskey can last a really really long time.

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I would like to see the list of people who made millions off of that waste of tax payer money.

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I think Angels Stadium is pretty good. Dodger stadium is pretty shitty, IMO. Like walking on to the Price is Right set in the 70's. No shade either.

Well, it was built in the early '60s and renovated in the late '90s, so split the difference, I suppose.

What a fascinating timeline that park has. From a baseball park in the middle of nowhere to a football stadium in suburbia to a baseball park in even-more-developed suburbia.



Don't you dare shit on the Googie-inspired pastels of Dodger Stadium you fucking monster.

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I would. Arenas provide far more multi-use opportunities than a domed stadium.

Totally different projects.

How many days a year will the DePaul dome be used?

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It is still under construction.

Their current home, Allstate Arena, serves as a venue for many concerts, Wolves hockey, and a flea market in the parking lot during weekends.

It's not about usefulness or need. The next owner of the Sox will be so politically connected that the politicians will cloak the new stadium in an overall revitalization plan for downtown. That's not to say there won't be haggling about it, but that will be for show.

So could a downtown domed stadium.

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Has anyone looked at how MSG has renovated the Fabulous Forum into a concert venue? They did a great job. It's almost 50 years old and doesn't need to be wastefully demolished. Imagine that.

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downtown revitalization??? huh???

Hahaha. We gotta get people back downtown! There's nothing there!

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They were considering demolishing it and still may.

Also that location is ideal just like our hypothetical stadium would be.

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I think you're thinking of the L.A. Sports Arena that was next to the Coliseum, which already did get demolished. The Forum seems to be here to stay with the Rams complex going up next door.

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I read MSG and was thinking Madison Square Garden. Oops.

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Exactly. The justification isn't going to make sense.

Speaking of Madison Square Garden, I really like that venue. I've seen two Rangers' games there. I would love to see a boxing card there.

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Huge baseball market controlled by the Cubs, with every reason to believe in the next few years, will only become more lopsided in favor of the Cubs.

Good stadium deal, as a result of blackmail. However, the ballpark is a sterile failure as ballparks go.

No Championship pedigree. The team has had 3 straight losing seasons. Each year the team claimed it had a team poised to contend, when they were just poised to pretend.

Demanding fan base, that fails to support the team unless​ they think it can contend. Which has led the patchwork jobs by the front office year after year until now. Even this year, they have hung onto guys like Quintana, Frazier, Robertson and Cabrerra, when all should have already been dealt for prospects.

They will not be getting another stadium built for them. Not with the State in such financial trouble and the Cubs not getting a dime for their ballpark. Those days are over.
In conclusion, the team sucks, the fans suck, the ballpark sucks and their near future sucks, with the chance of extended suckage for years to come, if they don't get more than a couple of the prospects to pan out.

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Didn't read.

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