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I can't be pro-UAL on this one because it was their employees that caused this situation in the first place.


Flights are overbooked all the time. They offered people money and no one would take it. Then they did a random draw and this guy got unlucky. He can't refuse an order to leave the plane. Again that scream is so unnecessary and ridiculous. For that alone I'm OK with him getting his lip busted. We are trying to run a society here, you don't have to be happy about getting kicked off. You can make sure your displeasure is well known to the flight crew, captain and the gate agents and supervisors there. What you cant do is act like an entitled asshole and then somehow make security the bad guys for having to physically remove you. Why am I not surprised this guy is a doctor...

The most entitled party in this situation was United feeling entitled not to have to pay market price to get their employees on the plane.


It's their plane!! They were within their rights to kick off the entire flight and fill it with their employees. As long as everyone was compensated after the fact and they knew they would lose a lot of customers for it.

I promise you that doctor is the same type of guy bitching when his connecting flight is delayed because they are waiting on a new crew to arrive. Now you want United to shuttle their pilots in cars instead...

That guy also fucked over the entire flight because I'm sure they were late as hell. Plus the connecting flights in Louisville that the pilots were heading to. Then the other flights after that... He had a chain reaction of ruining people's days because god forbid one man gets inconvenienced in this world.

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One comment below the Tribune article that made me giggle. Probably was Hockey Gay.

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I despise corporations, I despise their arrogance, but I also despise selfish and arrogant people. United could have handled this better such as not allow the plane to fill up, but they also offered these people up to $800 and a free hotel room. Sometimes in life you need to stop always thinking of yourself. This guy deserved to be beaten into unconsciousness. "

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Hank wants to send this guy to Gitmo!

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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I can't be pro-UAL on this one because it was their employees that caused this situation in the first place.


Flights are overbooked all the time. They offered people money and no one would take it. Then they did a random draw and this guy got unlucky. He can't refuse an order to leave the plane. Again that scream is so unnecessary and ridiculous. For that alone I'm OK with him getting his lip busted. We are trying to run a society here, you don't have to be happy about getting kicked off. You can make sure your displeasure is well known to the flight crew, captain and the gate agents and supervisors there. What you cant do is act like an entitled asshole and then somehow make security the bad guys for having to physically remove you. Why am I not surprised this guy is a doctor...

The most entitled party in this situation was United feeling entitled not to have to pay market price to get their employees on the plane.


It's their plane!! They were within their rights to kick off the entire flight and fill it with their employees. As long as everyone was compensated after the fact and they knew they would lose a lot of customers for it.

I promise you that doctor is the same type of guy bitching when his connecting flight is delayed because they are waiting on a new crew to arrive. Now you want United to shuttle their pilots in cars instead...

That guy also fucked over the entire flight because I'm sure they were late as hell. Plus the connecting flights in Louisville that the pilots were heading to. Then the other flights after that... He had a chain reaction of ruining people's days because god forbid one man gets inconvenienced in this world.

How is the chain reaction on him rather than on United for not having their employees where they needed to be, boarding people in the first place, and then refusing to offer market rate compensation to find volunteers to give up their seat?


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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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ZephMarshack wrote:
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I can't be pro-UAL on this one because it was their employees that caused this situation in the first place.


Flights are overbooked all the time. They offered people money and no one would take it. Then they did a random draw and this guy got unlucky. He can't refuse an order to leave the plane. Again that scream is so unnecessary and ridiculous. For that alone I'm OK with him getting his lip busted. We are trying to run a society here, you don't have to be happy about getting kicked off. You can make sure your displeasure is well known to the flight crew, captain and the gate agents and supervisors there. What you cant do is act like an entitled asshole and then somehow make security the bad guys for having to physically remove you. Why am I not surprised this guy is a doctor...

The most entitled party in this situation was United feeling entitled not to have to pay market price to get their employees on the plane.


It's their plane!! They were within their rights to kick off the entire flight and fill it with their employees. As long as everyone was compensated after the fact and they knew they would lose a lot of customers for it.

I promise you that doctor is the same type of guy bitching when his connecting flight is delayed because they are waiting on a new crew to arrive. Now you want United to shuttle their pilots in cars instead...

That guy also fucked over the entire flight because I'm sure they were late as hell. Plus the connecting flights in Louisville that the pilots were heading to. Then the other flights after that... He had a chain reaction of ruining people's days because god forbid one man gets inconvenienced in this world.

How is the chain reaction on him rather than on United for not having their employees where they needed to be, boarding people in the first place, and then refusing to offer market rate compensation to find volunteers to give up their seat?


Market rate? They offered $800!

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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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One comment below the Tribune article that made me giggle. Probably was Hockey Gay.

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I despise corporations, I despise their arrogance, but I also despise selfish and arrogant people. United could have handled this better such as not allow the plane to fill up, but they also offered these people up to $800 and a free hotel room. Sometimes in life you need to stop always thinking of yourself. This guy deserved to be beaten into unconsciousness. "


I couldn't have said it better myself.

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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
Market rate? They offered $800!


And they had no takers. So it appears, the market, in this case was much, much higher. Also it was $800 in United Credits, if I'm not mistaken.

And the next flight out wasn't till 3PM today, so in my case, I would be burning through a vacation or sick day, which is worth $800 alone to me.


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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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Market rate? They offered $800!


And they had no takers. So it appears, the market, in this case was much, much higher. Also it was $800 in United Credits, if I'm not mistaken.

And the next flight out wasn't till 3PM today, so in my case, I would be burning through a vacation or sick day, which is worth $800 alone to me.


Bob, come on that's a two week paycheck for you. You're a Wal Mart greeter right?

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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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Market rate? They offered $800!


And they had no takers. So it appears, the market, in this case was much, much higher. Also it was $800 in United Credits, if I'm not mistaken.

And the next flight out wasn't till 3PM today, so in my case, I would be burning through a vacation or sick day, which is worth $800 alone to me.


Bob, come on that's a two week paycheck for you. You're a Wal Mart greeter right?


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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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Can't these airlines cooperate better? I think the 3PM next day flight was a big hangup. I'm positive there was a late night Southwest flight to Louisville with seats. There always is... And cover his taxi from O'Hare to Midway.


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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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Can't these airlines cooperate better? I think the 3PM next day flight was a big hangup. I'm positive there was a late night Southwest flight to Louisville with seats. There always is... And cover his taxi from O'Hare to Midway.


Well I don't think the gate agents are offering concierge services. These are airline drone employees. They aren't seeing the big picture of thinking outside the box. They are just following company procedures. And the industry sucks.

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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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When asked why the airline had the man forcibly removed, and whether that was standard procedure in cases of overbooked flights, United refused to comment. Instead they told BuzzFeed News all further questions should be referred to Chicago Police. BuzzFeed News contacted Chicago Police and were told to contact the Chicago Department of Aviation. When BuzzFeed News contacted the Chicago Department of Aviation they were transferred to a TSA message bank. A TSA spokesperson later told BuzzFeed News they were not involved and to contact Chicago Police.
I feel like air travel in this country is pretty much to the point where that Onion bit about Franz Kafka International Airport now resembles accurate reporting rather than satire.

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Can't these airlines cooperate better? I think the 3PM next day flight was a big hangup. I'm positive there was a late night Southwest flight to Louisville with seats. There always is... And cover his taxi from O'Hare to Midway.


Well I don't think the gate agents are offering concierge services. These are airline drone employees. They aren't seeing the big picture of thinking outside the box. They are just following company procedures. And the industry sucks.


These concierge services are probably cheaper than the PR fallout. But yes, penny wise, pound foolish.


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This is why I always fly southwest when I can in the contiguous 48. They're always on time, great customer service and hardly overbook.


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This is why I always fly southwest when I can in the contiguous 48. They're always on time, great customer service and hardly overbook.

Southwest blows.

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Market rate? They offered $800!


And they had no takers. So it appears, the market, in this case was much, much higher. Also it was $800 in United Credits, if I'm not mistaken.

And the next flight out wasn't till 3PM today, so in my case, I would be burning through a vacation or sick day, which is worth $800 alone to me.


All joking aside, this incident sums up a lot of what's wrong with our country today.

Cops being overly aggressive.
Big corporations doing whatever they want.
Entitled people thinking the rules don't apply to them.
Arm chair activism. So many people pulling out their phones to record while they beat their breasts and cry out with faux outrage. Yet not one person took a stand and said "Let the man stay, I'll take his place and the $800"

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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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Market rate? They offered $800!


And they had no takers. So it appears, the market, in this case was much, much higher. Also it was $800 in United Credits, if I'm not mistaken.

And the next flight out wasn't till 3PM today, so in my case, I would be burning through a vacation or sick day, which is worth $800 alone to me.


All joking aside, this incident sums up a lot of what's wrong with our country today.

Cops being overly aggressive.
Big corporations doing whatever they want.
Entitled people thinking the rules don't apply to them.
Arm chair activism. So many people pulling out their phones to record while they beat their breasts and cry out with faux outrage. Yet not one person took a stand and said "Let the man stay, I'll take his place and the $800"


nah, the only thing wrong was United's unwillingness to pay market rate.


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Arm chair activism. So many people pulling out their phones to record while they beat their breasts and cry out with faux outrage. Yet not one person took a stand and said "Let the man stay, I'll take his place and the $800"

This part is true but you're being a dickhead on all other counts.

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Arm chair activism. So many people pulling out their phones to record while they beat their breasts and cry out with faux outrage. Yet not one person took a stand and said "Let the man stay, I'll take his place and the $800"


and so many people claiming they'd give up their seat...let's see when it's you that's gone through all the airport BS, boarded the plane and in your seat. i'm sure at that point you'd be thinking of what's best for society :lol:


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on the other hand, you could attempt to make a profession out of it

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Arm chair activism. So many people pulling out their phones to record while they beat their breasts and cry out with faux outrage. Yet not one person took a stand and said "Let the man stay, I'll take his place and the $800"

This part is true but you're being a dickhead on all other counts.


I think a guy refusing to leave after being told so is being a dickhead. He was told to get off the plane. He overreacted. The cops overreacted. Now everyone is up in arms about it. If this was some dudebro getting removed from a baseball game, no one would care. They would say that the owner of the building has a right to remove him and he should leave when told to. This guy should have left but he's special so god forbid the rules of us mortals apply to him.

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Arm chair activism. So many people pulling out their phones to record while they beat their breasts and cry out with faux outrage. Yet not one person took a stand and said "Let the man stay, I'll take his place and the $800"


and so many people claiming they'd give up their seat...let's see when it's you that's gone through all the airport BS, boarded the plane and in your seat. i'm sure at that point you'd be thinking of what's best for society :lol:


I wouldn't have for $400 because that's only like one ticket on United. For $800 though... We would never have needed to get to a random draw, my ass is off the plane :lol: (assuming I'm travelling alone and not with my family)

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on the other hand, you could attempt to make a profession out of it

https://consumerist.com/2017/04/10/one- ... socialflow


Interesting, in that case, Delta offered $1300 for a one day delay on a flight, certainly more than United's paltry $800. I know Hank won't like this but seems United was not willing to pay market price and demands "corporate welfare". Won't people think of these needy companies!!!?!?!?!?!


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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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Arm chair activism. So many people pulling out their phones to record while they beat their breasts and cry out with faux outrage. Yet not one person took a stand and said "Let the man stay, I'll take his place and the $800"

This part is true but you're being a dickhead on all other counts.


I think a guy refusing to leave after being told so is being a dickhead. He was told to get off the plane. He overreacted. The cops overreacted. Now everyone is up in arms about it. If this was some dudebro getting removed from a baseball game, no one would care. They would say that the owner of the building has a right to remove him and he should leave when told to. This guy should have left but he's special so god forbid the rules of us mortals apply to him.


What rule did he break? If they were bumping him why let him on the plane in the first place?

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on the other hand, you could attempt to make a profession out of it

https://consumerist.com/2017/04/10/one- ... socialflow


Interesting, in that case, Delta offered $1300 for a one day delay on a flight, certainly more than United's paltry $800. I know Hank won't like this but seems United was not willing to pay market price and demands "corporate welfare". Won't people think of these needy companies!!!?!?!?!?!


:lol: :lol:

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Arm chair activism. So many people pulling out their phones to record while they beat their breasts and cry out with faux outrage. Yet not one person took a stand and said "Let the man stay, I'll take his place and the $800"

This part is true but you're being a dickhead on all other counts.


I think a guy refusing to leave after being told so is being a dickhead. He was told to get off the plane. He overreacted. The cops overreacted. Now everyone is up in arms about it. If this was some dudebro getting removed from a baseball game, no one would care. They would say that the owner of the building has a right to remove him and he should leave when told to. This guy should have left but he's special so god forbid the rules of us mortals apply to him.



I wouldn't have gotten off the plane if I wanted to be somewhere. Why do I have to get off?

Are the "rules" part of a binding contract? Do we have any contract lawyers here or just a bunch of real estate hacks and divorce guys?

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What rule did he break? If they were bumping him why let him on the plane in the first place?


This.

Is there somewhere in the United ticket agreement that statues, "You are subject to being randomly taken off a flight you are already on so we can put some late arriving employees on in your place"?

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Arm chair activism. So many people pulling out their phones to record while they beat their breasts and cry out with faux outrage. Yet not one person took a stand and said "Let the man stay, I'll take his place and the $800"

This part is true but you're being a dickhead on all other counts.


I think a guy refusing to leave after being told so is being a dickhead. He was told to get off the plane. He overreacted. The cops overreacted. Now everyone is up in arms about it. If this was some dudebro getting removed from a baseball game, no one would care. They would say that the owner of the building has a right to remove him and he should leave when told to. This guy should have left but he's special so god forbid the rules of us mortals apply to him.


What rule did he break? If they were bumping him why let him on the plane in the first place?


The rule where they told him to get off the plane because he got bumped. He doesn't own that plane. The company told him to get off and he refused. What's so difficult to understand? He got a spot of bad luck dumped on him, happens to all of us from time to time.

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What rule did he break? If they were bumping him why let him on the plane in the first place?


This.

Is there somewhere in the United ticket agreement that statues, "You are subject to being randomly taken off a flight you are already on so we can put some late arriving employees on in your place"?


Can you be removed from a Sox game even though you bought a ticket? From a concert? Can you be removed from a taxi even though he already stopped and picked you up?

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