Maybe you guys should start a separate thread about Curry vs. Kyrie.

As much as LeBron loses in the Finals is how I hope every season ends, I think you can't pin it all on LeBron. Coming in to the Finals this year the Warriors were slightly better than the Cavs with a healthy Curry and Durant has put them over the top. There are no free agents to be added to the Cavs to make them compete with the Warriors. The Warriors play too fast, switch all the pick and rolls and they make 3 pointers where no sane player would have even attempted them in the past.

Honestly, the Warriors probably beat the Jordan Bulls. Unless in the video game simulation Pippen, Jordan and Kukoc start making an insane amount of three pointers.

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Funny that you're ignoring his 10.5 apg and 8.0 rpg in the series. Unlike your guy Kyrie he's not just a scorer

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You ve been laying in the bushes for about a year to get your revenge. It's a noble yet futile effort as long as Curry is ducking. It's like saying that Isaiah destroyed Magic during the 88 finals. We all saw who was checking him.

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I haven't been waiting for anything. I simply knew this would happen. The entire time I've been consistent: Curry is better over the past 4+ years. Kyrie was better for one seven game stretch last June. Curry is outplaying him again and will continue to do so next year and after.

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They wouldn't beat the Bulls. Bulls have better defenders and would be able to switch all pick and rolls. Bulls also would destroy them on the offensive glass.

As far as James goes no one is blaming him. In fact every finals series Can t be a referendum on the career of LeBron James. That's tiresome. Once he retires have that discussion. Cleveland didn't add Free agents because they couldn't add anymore pieces. LeBron wanted the owner to keep overpaying and the owner said no. They have highest payroll and most of it is due to James. He wanted non productive guys like Smith and Thompson and now he has it . He has to deal with it.

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You can't keep making the domination argument as long as Curry is guarding J.R. Smith Irving isn't matched up with Curry. It's a one sided battle. If he goes off it will be on Thompson. Curry's gutless ass doesn't want to see him on defense. That decides it right there. He can't check the dude nor does he want to.

Curry shot 15 free throws due to stupid fouls by non Irving guys and got a few wide open 3's. They made highlight tapes off of what the guy did to him last season. As long as he guards J.R. Smith my point is validated.

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Thompson has been tough on the glass against other teams, but he has been mostly neutralized against the Warriors this series. Smith and Thompson are bad signings, but every signing is bad when the scrubs get big money in the NBA. The Cavs overpaid the veteran players and that turns them into the Clippers in another year or two.

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Tristan Thompson is a bench player.

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Never heard the term "shit" what playground do the use this saying????

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Any ghetto playground in the city of Chicago. It was another way of saying a guy has "game". Typically they referred to shit in terms of what a guy could do offensively. If he had a variety of moves or varied skill set.

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James isn't a natural scorer. He isn't a give him the ball and get out the way kind of guy. He doesn't have what guys on the playground used to call "shit".

Help me please...someone please

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

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Watch basketball and you would know it. Damn dude provide an original thought for once. Its not hard to see the difference if you knew the game. Watch how he gets his points. There are much better scorers than Lebron James in the NBA. I know you will quote stats but if you see how he scores you'd know the difference. Kevin Durant is a pure scorer. Anthony Kobe Harden. Those are pure scorers. Lebron James isn't. YOu want help that's your help.

Do you think Cleveland would put the ball in Irving's hands to make the big shot if they were enamored with James's one on one ability. Get a fucking clue and stop disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. Consensus speak isn't going to save your ass either.

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LeBron's pretty great at scoring. At his best, 4 years ago or so, he even turned into a very good shooter briefly

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Never been great one on one. Doesn't have a tight handle but with his strength he can overpower people. Remember how bad his post game used to be and actually still is. If he gets a head of steam get out of his way but I have never gotten the impression that he can get you a good shot anytime he wants. You still give him the jumpshot. His points used to come a lot on runouts and fouls on runouts. t

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LTG, Lebron has a better career scoring average than Anthony, Bryant, and Harden. Durant's career scoring average is .1 ppg higher than Lebron's.

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Bryant's scoring avg is skewed by a few things. 1. He came straight out of high school. 2. He has played with better players throughout his career and had to share the ball. Harden came off the bench for about the first 3 years of his career. Lebron has had the ball in his hands more than each of them too. Points dont always tell the story either. Is he better one on one than any of the people you just named? I think not

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You are confusing scoring with shooting also what college LeBron go to??? Per your Kobe reference dude

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I'm out.

He's pretty much impossible to guard when he wants to be. Haven't the Cavs been running the most isolations in the playoffs? I heard that before game 1. Apparently, the Cavs know/knew how to play one on one before game 1.

Is this a semantics argument? If he's not a natural scorer, then whatever he is I'd take that to build my team around over Melo, Harden, and even Kobe.

Man, um, LBJ came straight out of high school. James also played with multiple HOFers. Lebron has had the ball in his hands because he has always been the best player on his team unlike young Kobe. I agree points don't always tell the story. I don't think you want to go down that route with Lebron's numbers tho.

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When I want a clearout I'd rather have Harden Bryant or Anthony. Hell Lebron isn't even the best offensive player on his team. Kyrie Irving is. He is a great player. Great all around player. He scores but There are guys in the NBA A number of guys that are better scorers than him.

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Lebron James had the ball in his hands the second he entered the league. Kobe Bryant didn't.

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I mean if you really think all that, it's cool. I just don't agree with any of it. Not gonna take the debate route here.

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Me either. You gave your opinion. I gave mine. We respectfully disagree.

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Ltg has some truly bizarre basketball takes. I'm not sure if "Kyrie is better than Steph" or "LeBron is not a great scorer" is worse

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Thinking he is a great one on one player is bizarre as is thinking that a guy that's running scared on defense is better than the guy that isn't.

Even during Curry's "great" game the other night he had about 8 or 9 turnovers. His stats were aided by a number of stupid (Non Irving)fouls and a couple of wide open 3's. He isn't beating Irving off the bounce and hasn't in 3 years. Irving gave the guy about 20 in one quarter during last years finals. He was easily scoring on Curry. No screens either. It was obvious that he was the better player. Destroyed him on Christmas day too. Curry has ducked all of the top point guards for about 5 years now. He has been saved by Having an elite defender in Thompson to cover for his overrated ass. Irving guarded the guy on one leg 2 seasons ago and held his own before getting injured. Even blocked his drive to win a game.

My interpretation of sports is that you settle things on the floor not computer screens. When they have matched up head to head Irving destroyed the guy yet you think it is "bizarre" to think he is better. I'm not following you on this one.

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They're matching up now. Curry is dominating the matchup. He's dominated the regular season matchups. It's time to admit last year was a fluke

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Where are you seeing this matchups? I can pretty much guarantee that your 20 "matchups the other day were based on transition D where Curry's scary ass couldn't get over to Smith in the cross match. Irving is checking him so in transition he has to guard Irving. Thompson is guarding Irving from the opening tip and Irving is doing the same with Curry. I will watch tomorrow and as soon as they tip off I will point this out.

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http://www.slamonline.com/nba/lebron-ja ... sEk3Wb7.97

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rather have Harden than James in a 1-on-1 iso ? Huh ?

Yep. He is a better one on one player than James.

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James Harden averaged 5.7 turnovers per game this season and broke the record for most turnovers in a season the second week of March.

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His assist to turnover rate was still 2 to 1 which is what James avg for his career.

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