Shelled again yesterday, 2-9 on the season with an ERA approaching 5.

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He is who I thought he was.

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A very rich man.

Just the kind of receiver the Bears would sign.

I've always maintained he was a chump from day one, I see he was getting praised for his K to walk rate last week... Who gives a shit? He still gets hit and will give up runs and get a loss.

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This is what baseball has become in the era of statistical analysis. There is always some stat that a guy who wants to act like he's smarter than you are can pull out to slowly explain to you why a guy who is OBVIOUSLY a gigantic turd is actually better than Mark Buehrle.

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Another Baseball Comparison That Never Happened

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On the contrary, those types of comparisons are made all the time. They're why people will argue that Ben Sheets is better than Bartolo Colon.

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Who would argue that?

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That happened?

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No one has ever said Samardzija is better than Buerhle or that Sheets is better than Colon.

Make believe.

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It's not make believe. People have said those things. I'll bet there are guys here who will argue that Sheets was better than Colon.

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He was an OK pitcher...couple of all star games I think, but I don't see how you can make that case.

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I can certainly make that case if I throw out their W/L records and simply talk about the seasons Sheets pitched without considering Colon's longevity.

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The floor is yours senator.

Although this all started because you said said 'people' would argue this and the only person even attempting it is the original person that thinks its stupid...

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Well, obviously it's not an argument I would normally make because I don't think a starting pitcher's W/L record is "meaningless" as current fashion suggests. But there are clearly numbers that can be used to make such a case.

Here we go, and I want to note that this isn't me talking here, I'm simply playing the part of the modern stathead fan. "Regarding the things a pitcher can control, Sheets allowed the same amount of home runs per nine innings, less walks per nine, and he struck out more per nine. His FIP is a full half run less than Colon's."

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My rebuttal would be that Colon has pitched for roughly 42 seasons. 40 of which he has been the size and weight of a smart car.

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And the other 2 seasons him reaching the weight of a full sized sedan.

Right. As I said in the beginning, you'd have to ignore Colon's longevity and simply look at their averages for the time they pitched. And my argument would be that longevity and W/L record are the two most important things for a starting pitcher.

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Are you making the argument that Sheets is better than Colon?

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I'm making the argument that you sound like a madman.

According to you, the entire world in 2017 thinks that Orlando Arcia is the best shortstop in the history of baseball and that Ivan Nova is a better control pitcher than Greg Maddux because over the last 6 regular season months he has a 0.7 BB/9 compared to Maddux's career BB/9 of about 2.

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It's not very convincing.

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Crazy people never consider themselves crazy. Your head is the only place people are making these outlandish arguments. You are out of touch.

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Are you telling me about actual arguments I've had, you silly nitwit?

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I'm specifically calling you a liar.

You have said there are statheads that will argue it. You then said you bet there are people here that will make that argument. In order to fulfill that bet, you had to be the one to make said argument.

This isn't the first time or tenth time you have made outlandish claims about opinions that are supposedly held by many...and yet you're never able to come up with specific examples.

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Okay, Go fuck yourself, you piece of shit. Conversation over.

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So no one ever really said it or argued it but you are arguing the point as if someone had?
Thats kind of weird, dude.

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What the fuck are you talking about? I've had an argument specifically about the two players in question. Are you going to call me a liar too? Or are you going to pretend that there isn't a WIDELY ACCEPTED school of thought that home runs, walks, and strikeouts are the only things that should be considered in evaluating pitchers as everything else contains too much noise? If you tell me you weren't aware of that fact, I'll accept it. You may not know. I'm sure the guy who thinks he can run a big league club better than most guys actually doing it does though.

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You had that argument here in the board? That sheets was better than colon?

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