If no one cares why does this thread exist?

Subjective? I think not.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-p ... ts-scores/

Avg about 15 points less without Rondo. Failed to crack the 100 point mark in 4 games after doing it during the first 2.

I love how playoff basketball somehow becomes irrelevant too.

The way you prattle on about these 2 finals games you'd think they were two of the greatest performances by a point guard in the history of the league. The Bulls were still a thoroughly mediocre team when Wade went down. They went 7-5 and had terrible losses while fighting for the playoffs against the Knicks and Nets and even almost blew it against the Sixers. This is despite the fact that Fred and Rajon were apparently ready to show the world what they were made of. I'm sure all the losses can be blamed on Jimmy and all the wins were the result of Hoiberg and Rondo though. The Celtics would've likely come back regardless because the Bulls were a mediocre team quite capable of losing 4 in a row after winning 2; they demonstrated that all season long.

Likewise Rondo playing with the second unit should, if anything, improve his stats according to your own logic. After all, the second unit lacks the obvious offensive albatrosses like Wade and Butler, so we really should've expected him to flourish and to see Hoiball at its very best. Unfortunately the on/off-stats for the season (a number of games far larger than 2) indicated that Rondo was not a positive offensive contriYbutor and Butler was.

I just don't get the discussion here. Wade chose to stay here. Why would he get a buyout?

I just don't get the discussion here. Wade chose to stay here. Why would he get a buyout?

Wade was a terrible signing and I don't know why anyone would want to root for him after what he did to the Bulls in the Lebron recruitment. Let him play it out here and be miserable and then hopefully we can ban him from the city of Chicago and neighboring counties.

Teams don't take on bad contracts unless they are getting other assets as well. For example, it was worth it for the Nets to take on the Mozgov contract because they won't be competing in the next couple years regardless, and it was their only way to get a lottery player with potential since they gave away all their picks to Boston.

Free agency and four year contracts severely weaken the leverage a team trading away a good player has.

I have no explanation for the knowingly handing out bad contracts thing. Happens all the time in the NBA and I'm still not quite sure why. Last summer, everyone was making fun of the Deng, Mozgov, Mahinmi, etc. contracts the second they were signed. The cap increasing significantly is a very poor justification. Really puts in perspective how awesome it was for Golden State to get Steph on that extension.

Cap minimum. You have to give the money to someone. Something funny happened a few years ago. One player can t remember the player was forced to take more from a team simply because they had to get to the minimum. Forget the player. He agreed to take less then they tore it up and in essence forced him to take more money.

Oh yee of much analytical prowess how do you explain the fact that they couldn't crack the 100 mark in any of the 4 games without Rondo? Avg 15 points a game less without him? How do explain that?

I'm not suggesting that they were all about Rondo. You seem to have no problem with attributing 41 wins to Butler though. After all Hoiberg stinks as a coach. How could the Bulls ever win a game given his ineptness as a coach?. Rondo is a cancerous bum on his last NBA legs and I'm sure you are not a fan of Wade at this stage.

Bulls wins are attributable to the greatness that is Butler. That about right?

Right, but that doesn't explain the four year deals with bad contracts. Just give Mozgov a 1 year, 20 million deal if you need to. I'm sure he would take it. Also, iirc, the "penalty" for not reaching the minimum is pretty meaningless.

I admire LTG's tenacity. No matter how terrible his argument, he will never give up. He wears out his competition.

I make good points. We will see what they do this year. The drop off will not be as precipitous as it appears now. If they can Rondo and Wade and go full fledged tank then it will be.

The Bulls are gonna suck with or without Wade and Rondo. I'm assuming Rondo's buyout is just a formality at this point. Wade's is trickier.

The Bulls are gonna suck with or without Wade and Rondo. I'm assuming Rondo's buyout is just a formality at this point. Wade's is trickier.

The Bulls are aiming to be a playoff team in 18-19.

That's ambitious, considering they need to improve at the Head Coach, PG, SG, SF, PF, C, and bench spots first and only have a year to do it.

They won't get there