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OKC may have a shot with Westbrook having a Robin.

Zero shot at even making the WCF

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There really wasn't much of a market for Jimmy Butler. That's what really came out of it. Thibs may have overpaid once it all shakes out. For what it's worth the Bulls acquired 3 lottery picks each 23 or younger.

Chris Paul though older is a better player than Butler right now. Still performing at a high level. You're wrong about that.

Paul/Butler is kind of a toss up but the Clippers literally had zero leverage so you can't really compare the two situations.


The Bulls didn't either. If they'd kept him another they would have been screwed. One year left on his deal and a year closer to 30. They had to move now.

That's wrong. He's 27 years old in his peak prime. He would've continued to have high value. He also wasn't publicly demanding a trade. The Bulls had a shitload of leverage compared to the Clippers. Come the fuck on.


You're wrong. He turns 28 before the regular season starts which means he'll be 29 before the start of next season. They had more leverage than the Clippers but that don't mean it was easy trading Paul. Paul is much more accomplished than Butler and has proven that he can lead teams to 50 wins regardless of coach or supporting cast.

He also provided the Clippers with the best seasons in franchise history.

Butler led teams are .500

I'm willing to be you $100,000 he will not be 29 before the start of next season.

The rest of your post is just as wrong. Just stop.

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OKC may have a shot with Westbrook having a Robin.


They will be better and I think he may know George pre NBA.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NBA Offseason
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OKC may have a shot with Westbrook having a Robin.

Zero shot at even making the WCF


Well with the decline of the Clippers and depending on the Aldridge situation in SA, it could come down to Hou and OKC fighting for the right to lose to GS in the WCF.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NBA Offseason
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There really wasn't much of a market for Jimmy Butler. That's what really came out of it. Thibs may have overpaid once it all shakes out. For what it's worth the Bulls acquired 3 lottery picks each 23 or younger.

Chris Paul though older is a better player than Butler right now. Still performing at a high level. You're wrong about that.

Paul/Butler is kind of a toss up but the Clippers literally had zero leverage so you can't really compare the two situations.


The Bulls didn't either. If they'd kept him another they would have been screwed. One year left on his deal and a year closer to 30. They had to move now.

That's wrong. He's 27 years old in his peak prime. He would've continued to have high value. He also wasn't publicly demanding a trade. The Bulls had a shitload of leverage compared to the Clippers. Come the fuck on.


You're wrong. He turns 28 before the regular season starts which means he'll be 29 before the start of next season. They had more leverage than the Clippers but that don't mean it was easy trading Paul. Paul is much more accomplished than Butler and has proven that he can lead teams to 50 wins regardless of coach or supporting cast.

He also provided the Clippers with the best seasons in franchise history.

Butler led teams are .500

I'm willing to be you $100,000 he will not be 29 before the start of next season.

The rest of your post is just as wrong. Just stop.


You know what I meant. Following season.

How is it wrong? If so where. Paul is a Hall of Fame. Butler isn't. Qualifies as "more accomplished". Has been multiple time 50 game winner regardless of coach. (Del Negro. Scott)

Where exactly was I wrong?

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GarPax don't look so bad now. Teams aren't overpaying for star (non superstar) players these days. That supermax thing is forcing teams to accurately assess so called franchise guys.


They are still fucking idiots and the Clippers just paid max money to keep an aging player who gets hurt every year.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NBA Offseason
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OKC may have a shot with Westbrook having a Robin.

Zero shot at even making the WCF


Well with the decline of the Clippers and depending on the Aldridge situation in SA, it could come down to Hou and OKC fighting for the right to lose to GS in the WCF.

Nah the Spurs will still be way better than the Thunder and the Rockets will be better too.

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john wall problems.... gets offered 4 yr 170M... espn article states "he has to think about it"

he's 26, so perhaps we would be better served taking a 1 yr deal w/player option? still seems crazy to not take it andhave that security, even if your age 30 contract isnt AS great


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Paul/Butler is kind of a toss up but the Clippers literally had zero leverage so you can't really compare the two situations.


The Bulls didn't either. If they'd kept him another they would have been screwed. One year left on his deal and a year closer to 30. They had to move now.

That's wrong. He's 27 years old in his peak prime. He would've continued to have high value. He also wasn't publicly demanding a trade. The Bulls had a shitload of leverage compared to the Clippers. Come the fuck on.


You're wrong. He turns 28 before the regular season starts which means he'll be 29 before the start of next season. They had more leverage than the Clippers but that don't mean it was easy trading Paul. Paul is much more accomplished than Butler and has proven that he can lead teams to 50 wins regardless of coach or supporting cast.

He also provided the Clippers with the best seasons in franchise history.

Butler led teams are .500

I'm willing to be you $100,000 he will not be 29 before the start of next season.

The rest of your post is just as wrong. Just stop.


You know what I meant. Following season.

How is it wrong? If so where. Paul is a Hall of Fame. Butler isn't. Qualifies as "more accomplished". Has been multiple time 50 game winner regardless of coach. (Del Negro. Scott)

Where exactly was I wrong?

Well you're wrong about Butler's age and what it means. If anything, Butler is still considered young. It's going to be another three years before his age even becomes an issue. Paul's age is an issue right now.

Also, it's dumb to compare their respective resumes on winning teams since Butler has only been the main guy for two seasons, two seasons in which he didn't have great teammates and had a terrible head coach. If you give Butler Blake, Jordan, Reddick, and JC he would also win 50 games and lose in the second round.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NBA Offseason
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john wall problems.... gets offered 4 yr 170M... espn article states "he has to think about it"

he's 26, so perhaps we would be better served taking a 1 yr deal w/player option? still seems crazy to not take it andhave that security, even if your age 30 contract isnt AS great

He's smart. He's going to make a shitload of money in his career regardless and he might not want to tie himself down to a mediocre Washington team.

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"The Mayor" should definitely make the playoffs this year with the migration of talent to the West and the lack of selfish players like Butler on the roster. I cannot wait to be dazzled by the true realization of Hoiball in its purest form.


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john wall problems.... gets offered 4 yr 170M... espn article states "he has to think about it"

he's 26, so perhaps we would be better served taking a 1 yr deal w/player option? still seems crazy to not take it andhave that security, even if your age 30 contract isnt AS great

He's smart. He's going to make a shitload of money in his career regardless and he might not want to tie himself down to a mediocre Washington team.


Health is not a guarantee, ask D Rose.... that's a tough offer to pass up... for what? an additional $30-$40 mil he could make by waiting a year or two to supermax? vs. signing now and then signing perhaps a lesser deal at age 30?


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john wall problems.... gets offered 4 yr 170M... espn article states "he has to think about it"

he's 26, so perhaps we would be better served taking a 1 yr deal w/player option? still seems crazy to not take it andhave that security, even if your age 30 contract isnt AS great

He's smart. He's going to make a shitload of money in his career regardless and he might not want to tie himself down to a mediocre Washington team.


Health is not a guarantee, ask D Rose.... that's a tough offer to pass up... for what? an additional $30-$40 mil he could make by waiting a year or two to supermax? vs. signing now and then signing perhaps a lesser deal at age 30?

I don't think he's holding out for more money. He wants to win.

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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1977 ... mberwolves

3 yrs/ $57m

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 NBA Offseason
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19779484/jeff-teague-agrees-deal-minnesota-timberwolves

3 yrs/ $57m


$19M a year seems like a lot but I guess it isn't. Mike Conley got $160M for putting up similar numbers the year before.

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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19779484/jeff-teague-agrees-deal-minnesota-timberwolves

3 yrs/ $57m


$19M a year seems like a lot but I guess it isn't. Mike Conley got $160M for putting up similar numbers the year before.

Conley is a great defensive player too but yeah that was a terrible contract.

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"The Mayor" should definitely make the playoffs this year with the migration of talent to the West and the lack of selfish players like Butler on the roster. I cannot wait to be dazzled by the true realization of Hoiball in its purest form.



I can't wait to see "top 10 "Jimmy Butler struggle to make the All Star team now that he is in the West. Better forwards and he won't be the first or possibly the second option either.

I expect a litany of excusemaking come February.

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Curry gets $201M. That's a lot of dip.

Still underpaid

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4 years/$50MM for Mills to stay in SA. Not terrible.

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Curry gets $201M. That's a lot of dip.

Still underpaid


He went from a $40M contract to a contract that pays $40M a year. I think he's fine.

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Curry gets $201M. That's a lot of dip.

Still underpaid


He went from a $40M contract to a contract that pays $40M a year. I think he's fine.

Gotta feed his family

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So Chris Paul is penalized for being a great player at a young age? He was leading teams to 50 win seasons with West as his 2nd best player, Scott his coach, and Western as his conf.

As far as the Clippers go Reddick? Jordan? Del Negro? Please. Chris Paul made Deandre Jordan. Reddick isn't nothing special either. Griffin was hurt and Paul still managed to pullout 50 wins a few seasons in a row.

It's Dumb to use the Jimmy has only been the guy for 2 seasons crap too because he will be 28 in a few months. You're also assuming that he will be good for another 3 years. You have no way of knowing that.

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So Chris Paul is penalized for being a great player at a young age? He was leading teams to 50 win seasons with West as his 2nd best player, Scott his coach, and Western as his conf.

As far as the Clippers go Reddick? Jordan? Del Negro? Please. Chris Paul made Deandre Jordan. Reddick isn't nothing special either. Griffin was hurt and Paul still managed to pullout 50 wins a few seasons in a row.

It's Dumb to use the Jimmy has only been the guy for 2 seasons crap too because he will be 28 in a few months. You're also assuming that he will be good for another 3 years. You have no way of knowing that.

It speaks volumes that you need to keep advancing Jimmy's age. :lol: He's 27 years old. Deal with it.

As far as Paul is concerned, he's a great player. He always has been. I'm the one who argued with you about how good he is/was a few months ago and you were hating on him. This isn't about him. It's about Butler and how silly you look by continually trashing him for no reason.

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The Bulls didn't get the best deal. They got robbed. They got a cripple and a PG who sucked last year. And they have to pay the cripple before they even know what they've got in him. And he'll be paid Butler money. :lol:

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The Bulls didn't get the best deal. They got robbed. They got a cripple and a PG who sucked last year. And they have to pay the cripple before they even know what they've got in him. And he'll be paid Butler money. :lol:

Please argue that the Pacers and/or Clippers got the better return. I need some quality entertainment today.

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The Bulls didn't get the best deal. They got robbed. They got a cripple and a PG who sucked last year. And they have to pay the cripple before they even know what they've got in him. And he'll be paid Butler money. :lol:

Please argue that the Pacers and/or Clippers got the better return. I need some quality entertainment today.


I haven't been paying attention/reading in detail about the transactions. I thought you hated the butler deal? That's all I'm saying here too.

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The Bulls didn't get the best deal. They got robbed. They got a cripple and a PG who sucked last year. And they have to pay the cripple before they even know what they've got in him. And he'll be paid Butler money. :lol:

Please argue that the Pacers and/or Clippers got the better return. I need some quality entertainment today.


I haven't been paying attention/reading in detail about the transactions. I thought you hated the butler deal? That's all I'm saying here too.

I didn't like the Butler deal but a lot of that had to do with who they drafted. Plus I love Butler as a player. But it's very obvious they got the best deal between them, the Pacers, and the Clippers. I don't think it's debatable(ltg will still debate it).

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