We recently went to a car museum and it is amazing how cars used to be. They seem like battleships compared to what is on the road today.

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Why do you keep bringing up what motorists do while ignoring what cyclists do? I'm not talking about drivers violating rules and laws. If you want to start a separate thread for that discussion, go ahead and do so.

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I don't believe he was riding improperly. He can take the full lane and two guys can ride abreast in a lane (even two motorcycles). Are you defending a motorist that came around a bend too fast and then drove away after running a guy over? That seems pretty silly.

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Come on, Frank.

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Then you believe wrong.

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This isn't difficult to understand:




A frustrated driver saw cyclists in front of him and ran one down in a fit of rage and then drove away. It's very simple.

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My Dad had a big Buick Riviera back in mid80's to about 1994 or so. He would drive me and two friends over to Wrigley from the west suburbs and we would slide around in the back seat it was so big. Those Sedans just don't exist anymore and the closest to it are the 7 class BMW or the A8 Audi or whatever the Mercedes equivalent is. Irregardless of that those are 100k cars that are still significantly smaller.

My moms old yellow Pontiac (I think) wagon was huge as was that diesel Oldsmobile. Fucking battle ships.

The article states he was to be riding single file and to the right unless necessary. He was not doing either.

The guy should not have drove away, however, he may have avoided charges based on the improper cyclists activity if he hadn't.

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He had to ride single file. Also, why was it necessary for him to be that far over? The other cyclist is literally on the path he should have been too so it was not necessary to be that far over.

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What do you think "necessary" means in such a context? I can tell you it's necessary to take the full lane when a lunatic in an SUV is likely to attempt to pass you in the same lane in a tight spot.

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He doesn't have to ride single file. He and the other cyclist (or two motorcyclists) may ride abreast in the same lane. Why can't the driver wait for a safe and legal time to pass? I'll tell you why. Because he's angry the bikes are there.

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see bolded text again.

To make it more clear:
Federal regulations require bicyclists to ride single file.
Federal regulations require bicyclists to ride single file.
Federal regulations require bicyclists to ride single file.

Unless the article is wrong...

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Since bike riding isn't addressed in the Constitution, I'll say the article is wrong.

Seriously:

Explicitly Allowed
In 39 states, the law specifically allows cyclists to ride two abreast. In 21 of these states, cyclists may ride two up only if they are not impeding traffic. Three states—Massachusetts, New York and Virginia—specifically require cyclists to roll single file when being overtaken by a passing vehicle. Even if your state allows riding two abreast, be aware that there may be nuances to the law, and that local and state regulations might differ: Some cities or municipalities prohibit two-up riding, even though it is legal elsewhere in the state. And if your ride takes you through an Indian reservation, tribal law trumps state law. (Sometimes the laws on the books are so nuanced that even the police officers get them mixed up.) Be sure to check on the bike safety laws in your area before heading out.

Generally Prohibited
A few states still restrict riding two abreast, generally prohibiting the practice but allowing some exceptions. In Nebraska, cyclists must ride single file, except when on the shoulder. In Hawaii, you must ride single file except when a bicycle lane is wide enough to permit riding two abreast and traffic flow is unimpeded. In Montana, you can ride two abreast in a single lane, but only if there are at least two lanes in each direction, and only if you are not impeding the normal and reasonable movement of traffic any more than you would be if you were riding single file.

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I am glad your cherry picked the part of the story to fit your own narrative.

Now, let me quote the rest of the line so you can see how wrong you are.


1) It was absolutely not necessary to take up the full lane
2) The riders were not riding single file
3) The rider did not move to the right to let vehicles pass
4) He was wearing a black shirt and shorts, which would not be considered "high visibility clothing" under any circumstances outside of standing in room where the walls, ceiling, and floor was white


The driver never should have left the scene of an accident and will likely be charged and punished accordingly. However, had the cyclist made better choices on his own, he probably would not have gotten himself hit.



EDIT- The single file thing appears to have been addressed. That still leaves 3 of 4 items the cyclist violated.

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Well, the chief Park Ranger said that he was required to be riding single file. I'll stick with what he said.

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It looks like the "federal regulations" part comes from the fact that this is a road is maintained by the National Park Service and is a National Parkway.

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Subdivision is falling apart before our eyes!

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Yes. It's why you can't bring a gun into Yellowstone even though in Montana and a Wyoming it would be legal. Federal law trumps local when it comes to national parks.

And stop riding side by side down Mack Rd. in Warrenville at 5:00 PM. Jerkoffs.

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Most drivers are assholes who don't pay attention to anything happening around them.

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People are using the term SUV very liberally. Most vehicles you refer to are crossovers, and do not have a truck chassis / platform or suspension. They are simply raised sedans...they do not have any off-road capabilities above and beyond what a Camry or Fusion can normally do...outside of their body behind a few inches higher so you're less likely to scrape or bottom out.

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Yeah, that is aggravating.

The worst though are the schmucks who ride on Batavia Rd when there is a paved bike trail that is parallel to the fucking road. The funniest part is that when they ride into Fermilab they have to stop at the security gate because they are on the road. If they just ride the trail into that area, they wouldn't have to stop and show ID. I'm not even sure where they put an ID with the spandex suit they have on either.

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This is turning out like the win loss record for jorr, 98% - 2% against.

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What?

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Probably in their fanny packs. Ghey.

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I agree that a fanny pack is gay but I find such an observation a little odd coming from a pro-mandals guy.

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You're going to compare a full spandex cycling suit and a fanny pack to a pair of Tevas?

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I was gifted two Jerseys when I started biking a few years ago. An arrogant bastard one and a bright yellow one from some bar in Portland. They have pockets on the back for ids. I've never worn them although the yelllow one would definitely be high Viz.

The non-savage bikers should be wearing suitcoats.

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