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Seriously, I think this needs to be said in light of certain things JLN and Chus wanted to happen in separate situations. It should be obvious to everyone that we don't take a heavy-handed approach in moderating this board. I would think that after all the complaints about bigfan that would be appreciated.

The problem with heavy moderation is that it becomes a matter of choices. The three of us have discussed this extensively. For example, Nas was never extremely disturbed by racist posts. (He obviously knows there are racists in the world and some post on message boards.) What pissed him off was when things that weren't as offensive were deleted while that other shit was left to stand. Those are editorial decisions. And by removing one and not the other you are giving tacit approval to the one that remains.

We've clearly made the decision to allow you guys to police the forum yourselves for the most part. There have been very few things that we have removed. JLN, we aren't giving tacit approval to doxxing. Chus, we don't approve of people attacking family members. We simply aren't interventionist gods.


Tis a pain in the arse moderating a board. Did it years ago on a much smaller board and eventually every moderator quit. We didn't own the board but were asked to by the owner to moderate it and run a tight ship. His dad and another poster were the biggest pain in the asses and we would have to constantly issue warnings and delete things because the owner didn't want too much conflict as he was trying to monetize it (Was never going to happen, way to niche of an environment). Once you start deleting it gets hard to draw the line because one persons overly personal shot is anothers playful jab.

This is why for as much as I disagreed with the increasingly poor moderating of bigfan that I also understood why it was happening.

Luckily, the three wisemen seem to be able to mitigate this by blaming each other.

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Was ripping on him not supporting his family and ignoring his kid dumb shit?


Yes.
Yeah, IMU should have said "Sorry, that was over the line". Most good parents have a rational concern that they aren't "controlling" their kids behavior in public. You don't ever want to be "that" parent.

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The IMU and $1000 thing spilled across MANY threads, and became annoying. One of the problems with this board-- and I do this myself sometimes-- is that some people have an impossible time walking away from an 'argument.' Sometimes its best to log off for a bit, be it a few days or a few hours, and let cooler heads prevail. The $1000 thing became annoying, but Scorehead himself replied with that number directly to Chus when Chus asked him to name the terms. SH easily could have walked away or replied differently. I'm not absolving Chus because he did go after SH pretty good and it did get tiresome. However, keep the revisionist history out of this particular event. Scorehead made his own bed with that.
I just want to make it clear that Chus accepted the Tebow bet either when Tebow was announced that he was being cut or when he actually was cut. This was a major new piece of information that would have, in Vegas terms, taken the bet off the board. It was ludicrous to think that Scorehead was beholden to the bet for all eternity and it could be accepted at any time.


Exactly but that did not matter to Chus because of who it was. That is how he operated. And I could not stand SH. He is prob my least favorite poster ever around here but he was not treated right by Chus.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Drunk Squirrel wrote:
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Seriously, I think this needs to be said in light of certain things JLN and Chus wanted to happen in separate situations. It should be obvious to everyone that we don't take a heavy-handed approach in moderating this board. I would think that after all the complaints about bigfan that would be appreciated.

The problem with heavy moderation is that it becomes a matter of choices. The three of us have discussed this extensively. For example, Nas was never extremely disturbed by racist posts. (He obviously knows there are racists in the world and some post on message boards.) What pissed him off was when things that weren't as offensive were deleted while that other shit was left to stand. Those are editorial decisions. And by removing one and not the other you are giving tacit approval to the one that remains.

We've clearly made the decision to allow you guys to police the forum yourselves for the most part. There have been very few things that we have removed. JLN, we aren't giving tacit approval to doxxing. Chus, we don't approve of people attacking family members. We simply aren't interventionist gods.


Tis a pain in the arse moderating a board. Did it years ago on a much smaller board and eventually every moderator quit. We didn't own the board but were asked to by the owner to moderate it and run a tight ship. His dad and another poster were the biggest pain in the asses and we would have to constantly issue warnings and delete things because the owner didn't want too much conflict as he was trying to monetize it (Was never going to happen, way to niche of an environment). Once you start deleting it gets hard to draw the line because one persons overly personal shot is anothers playful jab.

This is why for as much as I disagreed with the increasingly poor moderating of bigfan that I also understood why it was happening.

Luckily, the three wisemen seem to be able to mitigate this by blaming each other.


Agree with the former and :lol: to the latter.

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I'll bet Spanky is relieved he won't be the most talked about poster behind his back at board outings anymore .

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The IMU and $1000 thing spilled across MANY threads, and became annoying. One of the problems with this board-- and I do this myself sometimes-- is that some people have an impossible time walking away from an 'argument.' Sometimes its best to log off for a bit, be it a few days or a few hours, and let cooler heads prevail. The $1000 thing became annoying, but Scorehead himself replied with that number directly to Chus when Chus asked him to name the terms. SH easily could have walked away or replied differently. I'm not absolving Chus because he did go after SH pretty good and it did get tiresome. However, keep the revisionist history out of this particular event. Scorehead made his own bed with that.
I just want to make it clear that Chus accepted the Tebow bet either when Tebow was announced that he was being cut or when he actually was cut. This was a major new piece of information that would have, in Vegas terms, taken the bet off the board. It was ludicrous to think that Scorehead was beholden to the bet for all eternity and it could be accepted at any time.


Exactly but that did not matter to Chus because of who it was. That is how he operated. And I could not stand SH. He is prob my least favorite poster ever around here but he was not treated right by Chus.
SH still talked Tebow up, and offered a bet. Chus said name the terms. SH said $1000. Regardless of the bet being "on the board" or not, SH said what he said.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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The IMU and $1000 thing spilled across MANY threads, and became annoying. One of the problems with this board-- and I do this myself sometimes-- is that some people have an impossible time walking away from an 'argument.' Sometimes its best to log off for a bit, be it a few days or a few hours, and let cooler heads prevail. The $1000 thing became annoying, but Scorehead himself replied with that number directly to Chus when Chus asked him to name the terms. SH easily could have walked away or replied differently. I'm not absolving Chus because he did go after SH pretty good and it did get tiresome. However, keep the revisionist history out of this particular event. Scorehead made his own bed with that.
I just want to make it clear that Chus accepted the Tebow bet either when Tebow was announced that he was being cut or when he actually was cut. This was a major new piece of information that would have, in Vegas terms, taken the bet off the board. It was ludicrous to think that Scorehead was beholden to the bet for all eternity and it could be accepted at any time.


Exactly but that did not matter to Chus because of who it was. That is how he operated. And I could not stand SH. He is prob my least favorite poster ever around here but he was not treated right by Chus.
SH still talked Tebow up, and offered a bet. Chus said name the terms. SH said $1000. Regardless of the bet being "on the board" or not, SH said what he said.

See bold above.


I understand that. I had my own issues with SH and a bet. But I didnt follow SH around constantly bitching about it. You mention it a few times and move on. Chus did not have the ability to do that and he expected all of us to agree with him and think he was always in the right.

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Regarding Chus- He had raised his board profile very favorably from the podcasts. I actually came to like him. I don't really care about the actual doxing. Where I got pissed was the way it was handled on the podcast. Then you come to find out the behind the scenes kids games to get that stuff released on the board. Fine whatever.

When he tried the rally the board against IMU, that was the final straw for me. If you have not met IMU in person, this won't mean much to you. IMU has a board persona that at times will get you frustrated with him. Once you meet him in person you come to understand that he is an inherently decent and passionate person. He is the type of guy that would make a good brother or life long friend. If you dislike IMU, then I think you need to look in the mirror and reevaluate your life. Frankly, everyone I have met in person has been a high quality individual. I know that would be the case if/when I ever met Chus.

That being said, Chus is the only guy I have ever had on ignore. Now I have ignored certain posters in the past, but not on my ignore list. I just wouldn't read their posts for a few weeks. He told me to do it, and it was in response to him infecting every thread with IMU venom.

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Regarding Chus- He had raised his board profile very favorably from the podcasts. I actually came to like him. I don't really care about the actual doxing. Where I got pissed was the way it was handled on the podcast. Then you come to find out the behind the scenes kids games to get that stuff released on the board. Fine whatever.

When he tried the rally the board against IMU, that was the final straw for me. If you have not met IMU in person, this won't mean much to you. IMU has a board persona that at times will get you frustrated with him. Once you meet him in person you come to understand that he is an inherently decent and passionate person. He is the type of guy that would make a good brother or life long friend. If you dislike IMU, then I think you need to look in the mirror and reevaluate your life.

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When he tried the rally the board against IMU, that was the final straw for me. If you have not met IMU in person, this won't mean much to you. IMU has a board persona that at times will get you frustrated with him. Once you meet him in person you come to understand that he is an inherently decent and passionate person. He is the type of guy that would make a good brother or life long friend. If you dislike IMU, then I think you need to look in the mirror and reevaluate your life. Frankly, everyone I have met in person has been a high quality individual. I know that would be the case if/when I ever met Chus.
That's probably true but it doesn't absolve IMU of his role in simply not backing down for something he clearly shouldn't have gotten into.

I mean, even today, IMU basically doubled down that he wasn't wrong on anything and took more personal shots against him.

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Regarding Chus- He had raised his board profile very favorably from the podcasts. I actually came to like him. I don't really care about the actual doxing. Where I got pissed was the way it was handled on the podcast. Then you come to find out the behind the scenes kids games to get that stuff released on the board. Fine whatever.

When he tried the rally the board against IMU, that was the final straw for me. If you have not met IMU in person, this won't mean much to you. IMU has a board persona that at times will get you frustrated with him. Once you meet him in person you come to understand that he is an inherently decent and passionate person. He is the type of guy that would make a good brother or life long friend. If you dislike IMU, then I think you need to look in the mirror and reevaluate your life.

IMU / Tim Tebow = match


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Board persona or not, IMU said, continued to say, and still continues to say really stupid things regarding Chus's son. The comments may be legitmiately hurtful to some people as well.

An apology might ring hollow to Chus, but it seriously needs to be dropped at this point. Just move on, IMU. It was a bad move on your part. But its done so just leave it be.

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When he tried the rally the board against IMU, that was the final straw for me. If you have not met IMU in person, this won't mean much to you. IMU has a board persona that at times will get you frustrated with him. Once you meet him in person you come to understand that he is an inherently decent and passionate person. He is the type of guy that would make a good brother or life long friend. If you dislike IMU, then I think you need to look in the mirror and reevaluate your life. Frankly, everyone I have met in person has been a high quality individual. I know that would be the case if/when I ever met Chus.
That's probably true but it doesn't absolve IMU of his role in simply not backing down for something he clearly shouldn't have gotten into.

I mean, even today, IMU basically doubled down that he wasn't wrong on anything and took more personal shots against him.


I interpreted IMU's comment differently, as I felt he was taking a shot (unnecessary still) at the parenting and not the kid. But most saw it in the way I suppose you do, which was an undeserved shot at a kid. Making it personal is never a good thing.

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Would he be willing to step foot in one of my Pulte homes down there?

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Will denis drive down to Florida to sort this out with Chus?


Would he be willing to step foot in one of my Pulte homes down there?
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The IMU and $1000 thing spilled across MANY threads, and became annoying. One of the problems with this board-- and I do this myself sometimes-- is that some people have an impossible time walking away from an 'argument.' Sometimes its best to log off for a bit, be it a few days or a few hours, and let cooler heads prevail. The $1000 thing became annoying, but Scorehead himself replied with that number directly to Chus when Chus asked him to name the terms. SH easily could have walked away or replied differently. I'm not absolving Chus because he did go after SH pretty good and it did get tiresome. However, keep the revisionist history out of this particular event. Scorehead made his own bed with that.
I just want to make it clear that Chus accepted the Tebow bet either when Tebow was announced that he was being cut or when he actually was cut. This was a major new piece of information that would have, in Vegas terms, taken the bet off the board. It was ludicrous to think that Scorehead was beholden to the bet for all eternity and it could be accepted at any time.

I know this has been said MANY times, but Chus accepted the bet 1 day after Scorehead laid out the terms. What should be the deadline for accepting a bet?

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I know this has been said MANY times, but Chus accepted the bet 1 day after Scorehead laid out the terms. What should be the deadline for accepting a bet?
If a major piece of news happens that has a direct connection to the bet then both sides need to agree again.

Accept immediately if you want to do the bet.

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I know this has been said MANY times, but Chus accepted the bet 1 day after Scorehead laid out the terms. What should be the deadline for accepting a bet?
If a major piece of news happens that has a direct connection to the bet then both sides need to agree again.

Accept immediately if you want to do the bet.

FF, I want my $200 back.

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I know this has been said MANY times, but Chus accepted the bet 1 day after Scorehead laid out the terms. What should be the deadline for accepting a bet?
If a major piece of news happens that has a direct connection to the bet then both sides need to agree again.

Accept immediately if you want to do the bet.

FF, I want my $200 back.


In a perfect world, DB chases FF off the board about this.

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Going after the person is 100% fine.
Going after his kid and giving your own unqualified diagnosis is pretty shitty.

I feel dirty after reading all this.

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Chus is pulling a drinky move here. Think about it. Drinky's daddy left. So there was no one to protect him. Then things got tough with the Goff beef. Push came to shove. Bam. Drinky left. Without a trace. Cuz he's a dumbass. This is the Drinky model. And chus is following it exactly. I've got this all figured out. You can thank me later. Or don't. I'm declaring victory before the war is over.
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I'm sorry if anyone was offended thinking I was attacking a kid with autism. That was not the intention, obviously. Chus, however, is still a shitty person.

We good?

Let's go back to one of the premier board villains giving me a shoutout, and me trying to reconcile how I feel about it.

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Will denis drive down to Florida to sort this out with Chus?

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