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But of course I don't care for professional basketball anyway. At least college basketball still has some defense being played. Much rather watch NCAA hoops or football than NBA or NFL!

And if professionals have a problem with fans cheering an opponent, tough shit! Their professionals right?


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At least college basketball still has some defense being played.


Go watch the Pistons, Celtics, or Spurs. Unbelievable that just 5-6 years ago the league was too "defensive" and it made for "ugly" basketball. Now there's no defense at all. NBA detractors will come up with just about anything I suppose.

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No "D", Terrible Attitude problems, inmature players who get paid way too much because of all the idiots that buy tickets to watch the crap that the NBA presents on and off the court. You cannot possibly tell me that what goes on in the NBA (see Officials) with players or officials is worth paying for much less worth watching!!!


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No "D", Terrible Attitude problems, inmature players who get paid way too much because of all the idiots that buy tickets to watch the crap that the NBA presents on and off the court. You cannot possibly tell me that what goes on in the NBA (see Officials) with players or officials is worth paying for much less worth watching!!!

Same old song and dance. If you don't watch the league, feel free not to comment.

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I watch the NBA. I am entertained at times, but I am disgusted more than I am entertained. I happen to enjoy college hoops more. In fact, I enjoy high school hoops more than college. I guess there is something appealing about the energy brought by kids playing solely for the love of the game and the name on the front of their uniform. The differences between high school and college kids and NBA players are significant...in talent and in attitude. I guess I prefer watching attitude over talent.


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I watch the NBA. I am entertained at times, but I am disgusted more than I am entertained. I happen to enjoy college hoops more. In fact, I enjoy high school hoops more than college. I guess there is something appealing about the energy brought by kids playing solely for the love of the game and the name on the front of their uniform. The differences between high school and college kids and NBA players are significant...in talent and in attitude. I guess I prefer watching attitude over talent.

And I respect that Coast. You're fine with me.

I'd just like for the guys who claim the NBA has an image problem to point out any specific incidents that have happened in the last few years off the court. And don't feed me any Allen Iverson or Artest, or Stephen Jackson crap. It's been years since those guys have been remotely in the news. And don't bring up the Pistons / Pacers fight because that was almost four years ago.

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And don't feed me any Allen Iverson or Artest, or Stephen Jackson crap. It's been years since those guys have been remotely in the news. And don't bring up the Pistons / Pacers fight because that was almost four years ago.


There have been other players and other incidents to take the place of that.

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And don't feed me any Allen Iverson or Artest, or Stephen Jackson crap. It's been years since those guys have been remotely in the news. And don't bring up the Pistons / Pacers fight because that was almost four years ago.


There have been other players and other incidents to take the place of that.

Such as...

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Kid Cairo wrote:
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No "D", Terrible Attitude problems, inmature players who get paid way too much because of all the idiots that buy tickets to watch the crap that the NBA presents on and off the court. You cannot possibly tell me that what goes on in the NBA (see Officials) with players or officials is worth paying for much less worth watching!!!

Same old song and dance. If you don't watch the league, feel free not to comment.


I won't watch, but you will see me comment on the crap the NBA wants to peddle as professional basketball. I'll take the old NBA where there was at least some class in the player ranks and "respect" among players and coaches. Too much MTV in the NBA for me.


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I won't watch, but you will see me comment on the crap the NBA wants to peddle as professional basketball. I'll take the old NBA where the was at least some class in the player ranks and "respect" among players and coaches. Too much MTV in the NBA for me.

Which NBA are you watching? Have you not seen the New Orleans Hornets play? The Jazz? The Celtics? The Magic? The Spurs? Countless other teams? The league is full of young hungry players who respect the game and show class on and off the court...and those players are more the rule than the exception. But since you probably haven't watched since 2002, you wouldn't know that.

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Kid Cairo wrote:
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And don't feed me any Allen Iverson or Artest, or Stephen Jackson crap. It's been years since those guys have been remotely in the news. And don't bring up the Pistons / Pacers fight because that was almost four years ago.


There have been other players and other incidents to take the place of that.

Such as...


Im curious as to what these are too. Frank, you dont strike me as a particularly avid NBA fan. Why never any talk about Dwight Howard, Lebron, KG, Al Jefferson, Thaddeus Young, Chris Paul, Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobli, etc, etc, etc.

All the NBA detractors know the names Iverson, Artest, and Stephen Jackson. Iverson doesnt even belong in this group because by all accounts he is an upstanding citizen and a true rags to riches American story. Artest and Jackson are batshit crazy, but so are people in all walks of life.

The lazy criticism gets old.

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To start with I'll have to have Duhon wake me before I watch my next NBA game. What kind of lame excuse is that. Maybe his mother didn't wake him or maybe he sleep through the call.

NBA has a HUGE image problem and until they get that fixed we'll comment on the attitudes or Tude, lack of class, maturity of the players etc. Maybe spending 4 years in college would be a wise move for some of these guys!


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Badger Vince wrote:
Maybe spending 4 years in college would be a wise move for some of these guys!

Yes, because it worked for your favorites, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, and Magic Johnson. Oh wait...they didn't stay in college all four years! Darn!

Chris Duhon being a bonehead does not indicate an image problem for the NBA. One immature boneheaded major leaguer (and there are plenty) doesn't indicate an image problem for baseball. A boneheaded NFL player doesn't indicate an image problem for football. Looks like you're fishing for excuses.

It's really laughable that 70% of the NBA is made up of the college players you supposedly loved over the last three years. But now that they're in the NBA, they have a bad attitude and lack class and maturity. Something doesn't add up to me.

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I'm a bigger college basketball fan than NBA for a multitude of reasons but if any basketball fan can't enjoy a 7 game playoff series between two top NBA teams needs to ask themselves if they are a basketball fan or a fan of their university.

Suns-Spurs last year was pretty awesome.

I'm critical of the NBA because I think the regular season means very little in most years and that there are too many teams who pretty much give up on the season.

NBA playoff basketball is as intense as any March Madness game. Momentum switches on a dime, players give great performances, adjustments are made by great coaches, and some of the best drama in sports happen.

The NBA has the same type of players that the NFL does, or MLB does, or even the NHL does. All pro sports are filled with douchebags.

The Yankees can get in a brawl on the field and it's part of the game. Fighting is part of the game in hockey. A fight breaks out in an NBA game and it's the worst thing ever to happen. The Ron Artest brawl was very bad and a low point in all of sports.

If you truly love basketball, you are excited for the Western Conference finals and the probably Cavs-Celtics series.

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To start with I'll have to have Duhon wake me before I watch my next NBA game. What kind of lame excuse is that. Maybe his mother didn't wake him or maybe he sleep through the call.

NBA has a HUGE image problem and until they get that fixed we'll comment on the attitudes or Tude, lack of class, maturity of the players etc. Maybe spending 4 years in college would be a wise move for some of these guys!


Image problem is getting a lot better, unfortunately Iverson will never kick the high school bowling brawl incident from his reputation and that is too bad.

Badger Vince, you should read the article on Chris Paul in ESPN the magazine last month with an open mind.

I prefer NCAA for many of the reasons Coast alluded too but I think the current NBA is a good watch. I would debate moving the shot clock back to 30 or 35 seconds so possibly a real offense can be run but that is a debate for another day.

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To start with I'll have to have Duhon wake me before I watch my next NBA game. What kind of lame excuse is that. Maybe his mother didn't wake him or maybe he sleep through the call.

NBA has a HUGE image problem and until they get that fixed we'll comment on the attitudes or Tude, lack of class, maturity of the players etc. Maybe spending 4 years in college would be a wise move for some of these guys!


Chris Duhon spent 4 years in college. How did that work out?

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I'm saying it may benefit TODAYS players to stay in school for the overall education and interaction and maturity process than to come out at 18 after 1 year of playing.
And yes, I would rather have Image

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But I have no issue with YOU paying to see them!


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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To start with I'll have to have Duhon wake me before I watch my next NBA game. What kind of lame excuse is that. Maybe his mother didn't wake him or maybe he sleep through the call.

NBA has a HUGE image problem and until they get that fixed we'll comment on the attitudes or Tude, lack of class, maturity of the players etc. Maybe spending 4 years in college would be a wise move for some of these guys!


Chris Duhon spent 4 years in college. How did that work out?


You correct. As my father-in-law would say, "we'll have to agree to disagree!"


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i prefer college but i still love the nba.


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His adventures are documented many times over, I was talking about the superman suit vs. NBA uniform. Michael had an advantage over Shawn Kemp, Mike just did it with a rubber!

And no, I didn't have Stacey King call MJH and speak to the NBA maturity issue.


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If one team plays D they will have an advantage over the rest of the mess. Please don't tell me that you really feel the NBA of today is without it's issues?


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If one team plays D they will have an advantage over the rest of the mess. Please don't tell me that you really feel the NBA of today is without it's issues?


Oh shit man, come on. It has issues. But what league doesn't? Steroids? Not in the NBA. Murders? Not the NBA (Jayson Williams doesn't count, it was an accident :wink: )

Ya there's issues.

But there is great fricken basketball going on. Easily the best crop of athletes and basketball players the NBA has EVER had on it's courts at one single point in history.


That's my point. And it will be a sad day (not in the too distant future) where the NCAA doesn't start having bigger issues too. As a matter of fact it is already starting. But the nice thing is you take the scholarship away and tell Jr. to go away and take his ball with him/her.


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Easily the best crop of athletes and basketball players the NBA has EVER had on it's courts at one single point in history.


This keeps getting way too far overlooked. I cant stress enough that this is the most exciting NBA season I've ever seen. And for the criticism that the regular season doesnt count, a 5 game losing streak would take you from home court advantage to out of the playoffs right now. Every game here on our among the top 9 in the West has huge ramifications. It's exciting to see, and the Sunday ABC broadcasts have been outstanding the last few weeks.

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a 5 game losing streak would take you from home court advantage to out of the playoffs right now.


Way to go out on a limb! There's like 3 weeks left in the season. 5 games is 6% of the NBA season. So this would be the equivilant to a 10 (9.72 to be exact) game losing streak in MLB. You lose that many games in a row in a pennant race, you don't deserve to make the playoffs. This argument does not convince me in the least that the NBA is exciting. The last few weeks of any professional sports season is drama night in and night out.

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a 5 game losing streak would take you from home court advantage to out of the playoffs right now.


Way to go out on a limb! There's like 3 weeks left in the season. 5 games is 6% of the NBA season. So this would be the equivilant to a 10 (9.72 to be exact) game losing streak in MLB. You lose that many games in a row in a pennant race, you don't deserve to make the playoffs. This argument does not convince me in the least that the NBA is exciting. The last few weeks of any professional sports season is drama night in and night out.


going 3-6 since theyve gotten shaq has made the suns drop from second to sixth. and earlier in the year we wondered if the rockets could get into the playoffs, now their third in the conference.


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a 5 game losing streak would take you from home court advantage to out of the playoffs right now.


Way to go out on a limb! There's like 3 weeks left in the season. 5 games is 6% of the NBA season. So this would be the equivilant to a 10 (9.72 to be exact) game losing streak in MLB. You lose that many games in a row in a pennant race, you don't deserve to make the playoffs. This argument does not convince me in the least that the NBA is exciting. The last few weeks of any professional sports season is drama night in and night out.


going 3-6 since theyve gotten shaq has made the suns drop from second to sixth. and earlier in the year we wondered if the rockets could get into the playoffs, now their third in the conference.

Earlier in the year, I wondered if they were better without McGrady, but it turns out they are better without Yao.


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Right, and MarkFarve :p is making it seems like the NBA is the only sport this happens to. It doesn't. 1 of the NL playoff spots last year were determined on the last day of the season..the other needed game 163. The NFL never knows what teams are in the playoffs and what they are seeded until at the very least all of the early games are played on Sunday of week 17. This sort of drama, scoreboard watching, and momentum swings happen in all sports during the playoff push, not just the NBA.

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a 5 game losing streak would take you from home court advantage to out of the playoffs right now.


Way to go out on a limb! There's like 3 weeks left in the season. 5 games is 6% of the NBA season. So this would be the equivilant to a 10 (9.72 to be exact) game losing streak in MLB. You lose that many games in a row in a pennant race, you don't deserve to make the playoffs. This argument does not convince me in the least that the NBA is exciting. The last few weeks of any professional sports season is drama night in and night out.


Well you must not understand how the NBA playoff system works then. I guess it would be rather tough to speak intelligently on things you dont have alot of knowledge about. Your baseball analogy doesnt work because twice as many teams make the playoffs in the NBA(whether thats good or bad is a debate for another time). Its stunning that a 5 game losing streak could take you from 2nd seed to 9th, ask anyone that follows the NBA closely. This is the most stacked conference in any sport in at least a decade, probably longer.

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the point is frank that we know the top 2 or 3 seeds in the nfl and mlb usually by week sixteen and mid september respectivly. in the nba especially this year, we have no clue who the true one seed is in the west. because everyone who was bettin the suns heavy have basicly been punched the the balls in 9 games. the top 3 teams are a game in a half apart. how do you justify saying the lakers are the true 1 seed when the rockets have won 19 in a row and the spurs are the defending champions. even the golden state warriors who are the 8th seed are only 5 games out of the 1 seed. and even if you look at the trail blazers who had a 15 game winning steak earlier in the year are now 2 games out of the PLAYOFFS. this is more exciting than ive ever seen the mlb playoffs or nfl playoffs.


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Iverson doesnt even belong in this group because by all accounts he is an upstanding citizen and a true rags to riches American story.


Selective memory is one way to go through life. I don't think most "upstanding citizens" beat the hell out of kids in a bowling alley (reportedly because the kids he beat up had the audacity to be white) and do time in prison for it.

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