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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

I wanted Collins over Thibs. Clearly the Bulls made the right choice. I would be excited to get Doug working with Pax. I think at the very least both know what they are doing. Gar sucks.

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GO BEARS!!!

I guess he really is the best substitute for a local Jerry West as we could get, meh.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

It's a good thing that Paxson felt the need to correct Thibs earlier mistake regarding Collins.

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I think Doug is underrated.

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GO BEARS!!!

Putting a competent Randy Brown on the bench? Thibs would have been a moron to do that and I don't think Doug wanted to do it.

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a non factor as I see it

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

You've got guys here who think Doug Collins was a better coach of the Bulls than Phil Jackson.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

I've hated him since he was on the team that lost to CCCP

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

I hear that too.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Doug lost to the Russians in '72,fuck him.

What,you need to hear "We Suck" in a raspy voice,too?

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

He was and by default a better player personnel guy too.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

I must say I don't get the VFan/LTG constant tilt. I am not against it per se. Just don't get it.

[quote="beni hanna"]I must say I don't get the VFan/LTG constant tilt. I am not against it per se. Just don't get it.[/quote]

Vegan has terrible basketball thoughts. Other than than he's aight with me. Rarely personal though. He hates Bulls management/ownership and I probably come off like a shill. his latest topic dujour is Kyrie bashing. Just cant fathom why anyone would dare leave Lebron and blaze their own trail. Don't think that will end well for him either.

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I keep looking for that one thread, post even, when you two are in agreement, and piling on a FavreFan, Nas or Leash. Maybe it's happened. Just haven't seen it.

Collins' reputation is almost entirely a product of coaching Michael and because he's a good media personality. His coaching record is pretty undistinguished aside from that and he's anti-intellectual in his approach to the game. Washington and Philadelphia fans don't exactly have fond memories of him and his expanded role in personnel decisions his last offseason in Philadelphia was a debacle. He wanted to sign Kwame Brown in the year 2012 to a 5 year guaranteed deal and was a big fan of the Bynum trade.

Literally the only halfway positive spin on this is he might improve the Bulls front office's awful reputation around the league (this guy coached MJ!), but that seems about as likely as the idea that free agents would flock to Chicago because they'd have fond memories of Fred Hoiberg's career as a player.

Oh the other plus side is that this might give the Bulls an edge on attracting players from the basketball powerhouse known as Illinois State University. The young talent coming out of there is rivaled only by Iowa State.

Yeah, Bulls have the Northwestern pipeline all to themselves.

wow big news. Why didnt they just give the guy the GM job and get rid of the others?

Still trying to find the truth on why this guy was fired and who was behind it back in the 80s? I heard some of the posters here say it was because of some sexual thing. Never got a straight answer.

Doug Collins did a solid job coaching the Pistons also. If you think those Bulls teams were a treat to coach then you really don't know what you're talking about. No surprise there. Even with Jordan they weren't exactly a talent laden bunch. He also coached the team to its biggest upset win in history. Series win over Cleveland.

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Cool, those things he did as a coach 2-3 decades ago definitely mean this is a great hire today! Just like Phil Jackson's exponentially greater success as a coach in Chicago and LA meant making him GM in New York was a definite no-brainer.

Doug Collins has coached 4 teams including one this decade. Each one has shown instant improvement. 10 game or better improvements have been the norm.

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why was he hired other than tell him his thoughts.....which you could have gotten from ESPN for nothing

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Then that would make his sort of like yours. Can t have that in Reinsdorf country.

He was hired in order to bump Gar out. Even if Forman lasts the year he will be marginalized to the point of being obsolete.

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He coached Michael, Grant Hill, and a returning Michael in his first season for the first 3 jobs. For the fourth one, where he actually took on a more active personnel role, he actively pushed for the Bynum trade that left the 76ers so barren they had to initiate Hinkie's tanking process. He also whined constantly his last season about suddenly missing Iguodala and Vucevic en route to finishing 14 games below .500.

The other coaches that preceded him also coached Michael and Grant too. Fact remains that those teams improved instantly under Collins. Marked improvement also. He bounced a Cleveland team that was much more talented than his also. Better than every position except 2 and 89 Harper was a stud.

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Nope, his predecessor in Washington didn't have Michael. Since you're citing stuff that's nearly 30 years old now though, perhaps the Bulls could also consider bringing on Billy Cunningham as well given how much he overachieved with the Sixers.

Ok so he coached a 40 year old Jordan and the other guy didn't. Man you really are reaching and since we are speaking about truths he coached Philly 7 not 30 years ago. Fact remains that every team that he has coached has improved instantly. If memory serves correctly didn't he knock off your guy Thibs also. #8 seed at that. Maybe that's why everyone seems to hate him.

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I guess it didn't sink in after the Butler trade, but the Bulls are in full tank mode...the oddsmakers have their O/U win total at 22.5 (!), easily worst in the league.

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Oh yeah. Its another reason the trading Butler was the right move. They will actually be able to potentially acquire 4 guys that could help them when it is all said and done. I wanted them to start this last season but whatever. With Butler they were assured of never drafting in the top 10. Weak East he and an engaged Wade get you 30-35 wins. Difficult to draft a franchise guy from that position. They are trying to get in position for Porter or Bagley. Couple of years of drafting high with the cast they have and they should be decent.

I like the plan but I'm leery on the guys carrying out the execution however.

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