Jury's still out on Lonzo. I think he'll be good but he still only has 3 points when someone guards him.

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He'll never be as good as Westbrook. He'll be more valuable than Irving though.

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Poor vegan. He's so triggered by Kyrie he's become incapable of evaluating any players any other way except comparing them to him.

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I don't get the hype though. I mean it seems like he could turn into a decent point forward but there's nothing to suggest he'd be some sort of transcendent talent, or at least the type of talent to justify all this hype. Maybe the hype is just due to his father being a genius marketer and guys here are buying into it.

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Kuzma didn't start. Ball had a good game. If you are looking for stats let's do it then. After Two games he is shooting about 35% from the field. Avg 15 points per game also.

He scored 29 points on 27 shots yesterday and has 32 points on 33 shots in 2 games. He is getting torched on defense also. He has assisted and rebounded well.

You keep comparing him to guys that play on MUCH better teams also. Of the top rookies in the league he is in by far the best situation for putting up numbers. It doesn't mean that he is necessarily better though.

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One of the best articles that I've read on Ball.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lonz ... mitations/

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And it just happens to support your side of the argument. What a coincidence!

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You didn't expect my source to be an ESPN writer did you? They sold their collective souls a while ago when it comes to ball.

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You may not have noticed but I specifically referenced Ball. They are extremely invested in hyping him.

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8,13,8 vs. Pelicans

Shot 3-13 from the field. 0-5 from 3.

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also had 5 turnovers and the team played much better when he wasn't in the game.

His +/- has been worse than any of the Lakers starters in each of the first 3 games. That includes his breakout game against the Suns from the other day.

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He's almost averaging a triple double and he's awful offensively. What happens when he improves offensively?

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He might not improve that much either offensively or defensively. Triple doubles can be overrated too.

You can have one and still play terribly.

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He's already one of the best rebounding PG in the league. His passing ability will likely be elite. He has nowhere to go but up when it comes to scoring. He isn't going to be a 30% shooter for his career.

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He struggled heavily against the only good defensive PG he faced(and the Clippers have no other good defensive guards). He put up his numbers against a team that's somehow a bigger joke than the Bulls a team with no backcourt at all. The Lakers also run almost every possession through him even in comparison to other PGs. It's fair to say his stats are prettt inflated right now.

I think he's already good and I think he's going to be really good, but triple double stats are not a reliable indicator of how good a player is.

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There are only like 5 good defensive PGs in the NBA.

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That's not true.

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It is. Most of those guys don't care about defense.

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That's not true. There are actually very few PGs who simply don't try on defense. Even Steph Curry is decent.

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Why so harsh. You're being very unfair. Very unfair. He's basically an infant in NBA years and you're already holding his game against Beverly against him. 19 year olds or whatever he is are going to get clowned during their rookie year. No shame in it. All part of the growth process.

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I don't understand this response. Did you just entirely ignore the part where I said I think he is ALREADY good and might be very good?

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There are certain things that are difficult to correct. He doesn't finish particularly well. He doesn't shoot well. Its magnified when defenders are in his grill. He isn't going to get particularly quicker off the bounce. He is adept at running fast breaks but in half court sets he is extremely ordinary.

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Yes, it was just odd to single out the Beverly game. Who cares? It was his very first game in the NBA. If anything Beverly should be slapped around for boasting about shutting down a 19 year old in his first pro game.

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I think Lonzo was a good shooter in college but regardless, shooting is something that most players improve upon and some fairly quickly.

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How can you accuse me of singling out a game when he's played three pro games and we are evaluating him? Be serious.

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There are different degrees to being bad at defense. Ball is atrocious at it.

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Too early to evaluate. He's not even done growing yet physically speaking.

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Its going to always be difficult for him to get that shot off. It doesn't matter if guys are on him or they're closing out. I wonder if he will be effective with that release and form. Speed of the NBA game is a lot different than college and I'm sure he was playing against a lot of zone defenses in college.

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This is an odd take. I guess you can tell the mods to delete the thread but I'd suggest just finding something else you do have an opinion on then.

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