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Saying some people get tortured then raped rather than just raped is not really relevant when discussing the "only rape" instance.

Sure it is. Someone who tortures and rapes someone is much worse than someone who rapes someone. Raping someone is evil as hell and I cannot imagine being able to do that to someone, but torturing and then raping is clearly and significantly more evil.

Im not arguing that the distinction/difference doesn't exist. Im arguing it's not relevant.


I guess a more accurate way to say it is that I dont really care for the "yea, but worse things exist in the world" argument.

If what Trump didn't isn't rape it's really close to it to the point of it not mattering if it is or not.

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Nas, you can stop with the Trump defense accusations.

Out of all the people in this discussion, there's probably only one person who has ever voted for him, and his name rhymes with "pause."

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Saying some people get tortured then raped rather than just raped is not really relevant when discussing the "only rape" instance.

Sure it is. Someone who tortures and rapes someone is much worse than someone who rapes someone. Raping someone is evil as hell and I cannot imagine being able to do that to someone, but torturing and then raping is clearly and significantly more evil.

Im not arguing that the distinction/difference doesn't exist. Im arguing it's not relevant.


I guess a more accurate way to say it is that I dont really care for the "yea, but worse things exist in the world" argument.

If what Trump didn't isn't rape it's really close to it to the point of it not mattering if it is or not.


No, it's not. I'm starting to wonder if some of you understand what rape actually is.

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First of all, I didn't criticize anyone. I simply said the debate wasn't necessary. You're free to tie yourself into a knot telling me that Trump is a better man than Clinton. I'll continue to think both are awful. Same with Mao/Stalin/Hitler.

I think Trump is worse than Clinton. Unlike you, I don't view every bad person as equally bad. That seems like an odd view to take.


What the First of all, meme? I think I missed that.


I never said everyone was equal but the are some things that just aren't worth arguing about.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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Saying some people get tortured then raped rather than just raped is not really relevant when discussing the "only rape" instance.

Sure it is. Someone who tortures and rapes someone is much worse than someone who rapes someone. Raping someone is evil as hell and I cannot imagine being able to do that to someone, but torturing and then raping is clearly and significantly more evil.

Im not arguing that the distinction/difference doesn't exist. Im arguing it's not relevant.


I guess a more accurate way to say it is that I dont really care for the "yea, but worse things exist in the world" argument.

If what Trump didn't isn't rape it's really close to it to the point of it not mattering if it is or not.


No, it's not. I'm starting to wonder if some of you understand what rape actually is.

Again, I'm talking about forcefully fingering a woman. I believe that qualifies per the definition that was posted.


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leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Saying some people get tortured then raped rather than just raped is not really relevant when discussing the "only rape" instance.

Sure it is. Someone who tortures and rapes someone is much worse than someone who rapes someone. Raping someone is evil as hell and I cannot imagine being able to do that to someone, but torturing and then raping is clearly and significantly more evil.

Im not arguing that the distinction/difference doesn't exist. Im arguing it's not relevant.


I guess a more accurate way to say it is that I dont really care for the "yea, but worse things exist in the world" argument.

If what Trump didn't isn't rape it's really close to it to the point of it not mattering if it is or not.


No, it's not. I'm starting to wonder if some of you understand what rape actually is.


You're a rape expert?

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Nas, you can stop with the Trump defense accusations.

Out of all the people in this discussion, there's probably only one person who has ever voted for him, and his name rhymes with "pause."


I read what's posted. What rhymes with pause?

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Saying some people get tortured then raped rather than just raped is not really relevant when discussing the "only rape" instance.

Sure it is. Someone who tortures and rapes someone is much worse than someone who rapes someone. Raping someone is evil as hell and I cannot imagine being able to do that to someone, but torturing and then raping is clearly and significantly more evil.

Do vegans differentiate between a guy who wolfs down his Porterhouse and one who takes 45 minutes to really draw it out and savor it?


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Again, I'm talking about forcefully fingering a woman.

If anyone needs a new signature, there ya go. Extra points for the consonance.

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Nas, you can stop with the Trump defense accusations.

Out of all the people in this discussion, there's probably only one person who has ever voted for him, and his name rhymes with "pause."


I read what's posted. What rhymes with pause?


I don't know how to pronounce your handle. I've been told I say it wrong.

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Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Saying some people get tortured then raped rather than just raped is not really relevant when discussing the "only rape" instance.

Sure it is. Someone who tortures and rapes someone is much worse than someone who rapes someone. Raping someone is evil as hell and I cannot imagine being able to do that to someone, but torturing and then raping is clearly and significantly more evil.

Im not arguing that the distinction/difference doesn't exist. Im arguing it's not relevant.


I guess a more accurate way to say it is that I dont really care for the "yea, but worse things exist in the world" argument.

If what Trump didn't isn't rape it's really close to it to the point of it not mattering if it is or not.


No, it's not. I'm starting to wonder if some of you understand what rape actually is.


You're a rape expert?


What the hell is a rape expert? Do we have a field of science now dedicated solely to the study of rape?

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Nas wrote:
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Nas, you can stop with the Trump defense accusations.

Out of all the people in this discussion, there's probably only one person who has ever voted for him, and his name rhymes with "pause."


I read what's posted. What rhymes with pause?


I don't know how to pronounce your handle. I've been told I say it wrong.


Nazi without the I.

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Nas, you can stop with the Trump defense accusations.

Out of all the people in this discussion, there's probably only one person who has ever voted for him, and his name rhymes with "pause."


I read what's posted. What rhymes with pause?


I don't know how to pronounce your handle. I've been told I say it wrong.


Nazi without the I.


Nots?

Knotts?

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What the hell is a rape expert? Do we have a field of science now dedicated solely to the study of rape?


PM may know but there probably is. Likely all conservative or older men.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Saying some people get tortured then raped rather than just raped is not really relevant when discussing the "only rape" instance.

Sure it is. Someone who tortures and rapes someone is much worse than someone who rapes someone. Raping someone is evil as hell and I cannot imagine being able to do that to someone, but torturing and then raping is clearly and significantly more evil.

Im not arguing that the distinction/difference doesn't exist. Im arguing it's not relevant.


I guess a more accurate way to say it is that I dont really care for the "yea, but worse things exist in the world" argument.

If what Trump didn't isn't rape it's really close to it to the point of it not mattering if it is or not.


No, it's not. I'm starting to wonder if some of you understand what rape actually is.

Again, I'm talking about forcefully fingering a woman. I believe that qualifies per the definition that was posted.


Okay, I really don't know what you're talking about. Are you inferring based on Trump's comments that he grabs women (who presumably aren't wearing panties) and finger fucks them for like minutes on end? Because I don't know how you would get to that point based on what he said and I also don't even know how it would be possible. That's the only thing that could even approach actual rape.

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Nas, you can stop with the Trump defense accusations.

Out of all the people in this discussion, there's probably only one person who has ever voted for him, and his name rhymes with "pause."


I read what's posted. What rhymes with pause?


I don't know how to pronounce your handle. I've been told I say it wrong.


Nazi without the I.


Nots?

Knotts?


:lol: I don't know what's going on anymore.

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I'd like to also add that the "these claims of X undermine or hurt the cause of REAL X vicitims" is bullshit.


A guy being mad about something racially insensitive does not effect larger or more violent acts of racism in anyway unless you are looking to discredit them in the first place.


We need to stop grading this shit on a curve.


O.J. could have killed 2 more people. Would that be different? Yes. Would it matter in the grand scheme of judging O.J. as a human being? Not really


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rogers park bryan wrote:
I'd like to also add that the "these claims of X undermine or hurt the cause of REAL X vicitims" is bullshit.


A guy being mad about something racially insensitive does not effect larger or more violent acts of racism in anyway unless you are looking to discredit them in the first place.


We need to stop grading this shit on a curve.


O.J. could have killed 2 more people. Would that be different? Yes. Would it matter in the grand scheme of judging O.J. as a human being? Not really


Again, all of your examples are egregiously false equivalencies. If you want to play the slippery-slope game, how is giving a woman an unwelcome hug any different than raping her senseless?

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Amazan?

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Nas, you can stop with the Trump defense accusations.

Out of all the people in this discussion, there's probably only one person who has ever voted for him, and his name rhymes with "pause."


I read what's posted. What rhymes with pause?


I don't know how to pronounce your handle. I've been told I say it wrong.


Nazi without the I.

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Don't waste your time. I think IMU and I tried on a dozen different occasions to help with it and he still couldn't say it right.

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Okay, I really don't know what you're talking about. Are you inferring based on Trump's comments that he grabs women (who presumably aren't wearing panties) and finger fucks them for like minutes on end? Because I don't know how you would get to that point based on what he said and I also don't even know how it would be possible. That's the only thing that could even approach actual rape.

I think Trump was saying he does what he wants with women. He kisses them if he wants and even fingers them if he wants.

What do you think he meant? A playful tap of the pussy? That makes no sense in the context of his conversation. He was already saying he cant control himself around beautiful women and just kisses them. How does a pat on the pussy make sense as a follow up to that?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
I'd like to also add that the "these claims of X undermine or hurt the cause of REAL X vicitims" is bullshit.


A guy being mad about something racially insensitive does not effect larger or more violent acts of racism in anyway unless you are looking to discredit them in the first place.


We need to stop grading this shit on a curve.


O.J. could have killed 2 more people. Would that be different? Yes. Would it matter in the grand scheme of judging O.J. as a human being? Not really

I don't get the OJ example. If you say there's not much of a distinction between raping 2 people and raping 4, I would agree with you that the difference is so small as to not be worth mentioning. That's a whole lot different than saying it's not worth drawing a distinction between saying grab em by the pussy and raping someone.


This whole discussion seems strange though because as TM pointed out, both trump and Clinton are accused rapists. Really arguing over nothing even by our standards.

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Okay, I really don't know what you're talking about. Are you inferring based on Trump's comments that he grabs women (who presumably aren't wearing panties) and finger fucks them for like minutes on end? Because I don't know how you would get to that point based on what he said and I also don't even know how it would be possible. That's the only thing that could even approach actual rape.

I think Trump was saying he does what he wants with women. He kisses them if he wants and even fingers them if he wants.

What do you think he meant? A playful tap of the pussy? That makes no sense in the context of his conversation. He was already saying he cant control himself around beautiful women and just kisses them. How does a pat on the pussy make sense as a follow up to that?


Honestly, I always took it to mean he would go up and grab their crotch, kinda like a slap on the ass with a "cup." I don't think I'm alone in that interpretation, but others can share how they took it.

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Okay, I really don't know what you're talking about. Are you inferring based on Trump's comments that he grabs women (who presumably aren't wearing panties) and finger fucks them for like minutes on end? Because I don't know how you would get to that point based on what he said and I also don't even know how it would be possible. That's the only thing that could even approach actual rape.

I think Trump was saying he does what he wants with women. He kisses them if he wants and even fingers them if he wants.

What do you think he meant? A playful tap of the pussy? That makes no sense in the context of his conversation. He was already saying he cant control himself around beautiful women and just kisses them. How does a pat on the pussy make sense as a follow up to that?

It seems like Trump is getting way too much leeway here on what he actually meant and claimed he did.

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I'd like to also add that the "these claims of X undermine or hurt the cause of REAL X vicitims" is bullshit.


A guy being mad about something racially insensitive does not effect larger or more violent acts of racism in anyway unless you are looking to discredit them in the first place.


We need to stop grading this shit on a curve.


O.J. could have killed 2 more people. Would that be different? Yes. Would it matter in the grand scheme of judging O.J. as a human being? Not really


Again, all of your examples are egregiously false equivalencies. If you want to play the slippery-slope game, how is giving a woman an unwelcome hug any different than raping her senseless?

It's not a false equivalency. None of them have been.

There are worse acts that exist is not always relevant.

I have already acknowledged the difference. The argument is whether the difference is relevant.

As far as the hug, I would deem that creeper-ish and nothing more.

I start to draw a pretty firm line when any part of the man is inside the woman's body (to be crass about it, if any of the holes are breached)


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Nas, you can stop with the Trump defense accusations.

Out of all the people in this discussion, there's probably only one person who has ever voted for him, and his name rhymes with "pause."


I read what's posted. What rhymes with pause?


I don't know how to pronounce your handle. I've been told I say it wrong.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
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I'd like to also add that the "these claims of X undermine or hurt the cause of REAL X vicitims" is bullshit.


A guy being mad about something racially insensitive does not effect larger or more violent acts of racism in anyway unless you are looking to discredit them in the first place.


We need to stop grading this shit on a curve.


O.J. could have killed 2 more people. Would that be different? Yes. Would it matter in the grand scheme of judging O.J. as a human being? Not really


Again, all of your examples are egregiously false equivalencies. If you want to play the slippery-slope game, how is giving a woman an unwelcome hug any different than raping her senseless?

It's not a false equivalency. None of them have been.

There are worse acts that exist is not always relevant.

I have already acknowledged the difference. The argument is whether the difference is relevant.

As far as the hug, I would deem that creeper-ish and nothing more.

I start to draw a pretty firm line when any part of the man is inside the woman's body (to be crass about it, if any of the holes are breached)


How could you breach someone's hole if they're wearing pants or underwear?

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What the hell is a rape expert? Do we have a field of science now dedicated solely to the study of rape?


PM may know but there probably is. Likely all conservative or older men.


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Okay, I really don't know what you're talking about. Are you inferring based on Trump's comments that he grabs women (who presumably aren't wearing panties) and finger fucks them for like minutes on end? Because I don't know how you would get to that point based on what he said and I also don't even know how it would be possible. That's the only thing that could even approach actual rape.

I think Trump was saying he does what he wants with women. He kisses them if he wants and even fingers them if he wants.

What do you think he meant? A playful tap of the pussy? That makes no sense in the context of his conversation. He was already saying he cant control himself around beautiful women and just kisses them. How does a pat on the pussy make sense as a follow up to that?


Honestly, I always took it to mean he would go up and grab their crotch, kinda like a slap on the ass with a "cup." I don't think I'm alone in that interpretation, but others can share how they took it.

Yep, I know many people took it that way. I dont think it makes any sense considering it was following up him talking about the "I cant control it, I just kiss them"

To me, it would be weird to go from...I kiss them because Im a star to....oh and I also playfully pat their vaginal area.


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