But don't you find it disingenuous for society to create a situation and then be aghast at the response?

What is more likely is that ancient religion took the societal norms of where it started and then when civilization advanced to higher forms of laws and processes that there were still a lot of parallels.

Someone or some group had to invent "God" or the idea of "God" at some point. (Unless you believe that there was some guy way back when who actually communicated directly with Him.) That being the case, the morals must have been inside at least one man or, more likely, some group of men wanted to impose "morals" for their own ends and invented "God" as a way to implement the strategy.

What is more likely is that ancient religion took the societal norms of where it started and then when civilization advanced to higher forms of laws and processes that there were still a lot of parallels.

I mean, should we jail people for adultery?

Yeah, if gay people want to fight for equal rights and representative laws and rules, then pedophilia applies as well.

Sad to hear. I always liked Spacey as an actor. Don't think I'll ever be able to watch American Beauty or Usual Suspects again.

What is more likely is that ancient religion took the societal norms of where it started and then when civilization advanced to higher forms of laws and processes that there were still a lot of parallels.

Our laws are primarily designed to protect those of means from those without means and to at least give the impression that they are a net plus for the individual motives of all citizens equally.

God can certainly be a useful tool in that regard. It's a lot easier to accept one's place at the bottom of a caste system for a mere 30-90 years on earth when you believe that a glorious eternity awaits.

God can certainly be a useful tool in that regard. It's a lot easier to accept one's place at the bottom of a caste system for a mere 30-90 years on earth when you believe that a glorious eternity awaits.

Of course.

There was no other way to corral and subdue a bunch of unruly desert-dwelling Jews.

It's probably a little hypocritical, but at the end of the day it is on the older person to not engage or attempt to engage in sexual activity with a minor. That's where we draw the line, and I'm fine with it.

Now if you want to talk about whether a judge or jury should be able to decide whether actions with a minor were inherently criminal given the personality of the minor and the circumstances, sure absolutely let's have that discussion, but it also better apply to that hot teacher banging a 16-17 year old, or even the inverse.

I was subject to something similar with a guy I worked with when I was a kid. He was a gay 27 year old and I was 15 or 16. I handled it similarly to the way Rapp did, "Hey, what the fuck are you doing?" The guy stopped his advances. It wasn't traumatic. I do remember it though. I don't consider the guy a pedophile. I was a good looking teenager. And I was trying to bag whatever girls I could at the time.

Is Anthony Rapp gay too? Because I don't think the average straight dude who spends half his day on a message board complaining about Julie DiCaro really understands gay culture and how it works. If you're going to call a gay man in his twenties approaching a gay teen "pedophilia", you're going to need to examine your openness and liberalism when it comes to homosexuality in general. Because most first relationships for gay men occur with much older partners.

And there's a good reason for that. If a gay kid is in high school, how does he "date"? There may be another kid that he suspects of being gay, but they're likely both in the closet and how could either one risk that? It's bad enough in a big city. Now imagine you're a (the?) gay kid at leash's high school. Of course you're going to have to seek out an older guy. Maybe this is changing as our society becomes more open and accepting, but it certainly was as I describe 20-30 years ago.

do not drag me into this shit.

I mean, should we jail people for adultery?

What is more likely is that ancient religion took the societal norms of where it started and then when civilization advanced to higher forms of laws and processes that there were still a lot of parallels.

I’m not even sure that I believe in a concept such as “morality.” Our laws are primarily designed to protect those of means from those without means and to at least give the impression that they are a net plus for the individual motives of all citizens equally.

Oh, please. Neither of you believe that hogwash.

The wealthy could always pay for their own protection.