And JLN posting a rule from the rule book isn't the knockout punch that some of you think it is. Somebody post the rules as to what constitutes a catch. Then let's watch 100 different plays, and determine whether they are catches or not. Dez Bryant? Calvin Johnson? Zach Miller? Gronk last night?The Bucs WR from the Rams/Bucs NFC Championship many years ago? Fuck if I know.

There is a lot of interpretation and judgment that goes into MANY calls, hence why the zebras often huddle up before they make a call. Unnecessary roughness is a judgment call. So are intentional grounding and pass interference. And on and on.

After obviously blown calls on a Sunday, the league will issue some sort of statement on Monday. AFAIK, there has been nothing from the NFL this morning.

Are you saying JLN's post is wrong? At a minimum, I'd say it clearly is proof that the call should have stood on the field.

I didn't say he was right or wrong. I said that many rules are judgment calls, such as the ones I listed. They determined that he fumbled the ball before he touched the ground.

Somehow, you think that was a shot at your son?

I didn't say he was right or wrong. I said that many rules are judgment calls, such as the ones I listed. They determined that he fumbled the ball before he touched the ground.

I don't get how they can add new info to the challenge. Fox challenged whether he got out of bounds or not. Then they add the fumble/touchback to the equation. No one was challenging if he kept possession. What if they saw a facemask penalty that they missed during the play, they can't add that penalty on after the fact. It all just made no sense to me.

Wow, are you all over the place. Now we are playing the "What about" game? Yes, I think Trump is going to go down, but it has nothing to do with Hillary. She lost. She is never going to be president. Who doesn't get that? And none of that has anything to do with this thread.

Well, that isn't. I literally had no idea what you were talking about, and I still don't.

I didn't say he was right or wrong. I said that many rules are judgment calls, such as the ones I listed. They determined that he fumbled the ball before he touched the ground.

That isn't the issue. The issue is that after he lost control, while he was touching out of bounds, he made contact with the loose, fumbled football, before it went into the end zone or touched the pylon. This is a DEAD BALL. The play is immediately dead when that happens. The ball then gets placed where he began the fumble, since you cannot fumble the ball forward.

I as mocking you because you sound like a Republican telling the Democrats to stop crying because they lost. You think all Bears fans(besides the friend on your couch) are crying because of a bad call in a game that took away a likely touchdown on the next 3 plays. You are a pretty big Democrat and it's pretty obvious that you think there was a problem in the election. Pointing that out is not crying any more than pointing out a play with visual proof of a bad call is.

I think that was pretty low of you to try and make it seem like I was attacking your son because of a football debate.

That isn't the issue. The issue is that after he lost control, while he was touching out of bounds, he made contact with the loose, fumbled football, before it went into the end zone or touched the pylon. This is a DEAD BALL. The play is immediately dead when that happens. The ball then gets placed where he began the fumble, since you cannot fumble the ball forward.

He should have challenged that simply to get a better spot.

They shouldn't be able to change anything except what is being challenged. That's crap.

Why do they even announce what they are challenging if anything can be looked at?

When the ref announces the challenge, he should just say "The Bears are challenging the ruling on the field of everything that happened on the play."