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The pylon is considered out of bounds...in the end zone. In order to touch the inside of the pylon you would have already crossed the plane of the goal. If I fumble into it it is part of the end zone, but out of bounds making it a touchback (or safety, depending on who provided the force that put it into and/or out of the end zone). The Peanut ball punch question is simple. Offense retains possession where the ball went out unless it is fourth down and goal situation and then B or the defense would get it.

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To be fair, nobody on this board takes an L without fighting it to the bitter end. The number-one-with-a-bullet source of board drama is people escalating stupid fights until they don't remember what they were fighting about in the first place.

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It's not hypothetical. It's literally what happened on the play.

You said JLNs picture didn't prove it either way. He's clearly touching the ground and the ball.

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So, we went from it being a fumble and me getting the rule wrong, to now it wasn't a fumble in the first place?

And I don't let things go.

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Well, you had like 10 posts in here last night so I doubt you are letting things go.

However, what I am making sure is that you know that the call was indisputably wrong based on what JLN said. It doesn't even matter if it was a fumble or not. The play is over when any player, including the person who fumbled it, touches the ball at the same time they are touching out of bounds or have already touched out of bounds and not established that they are back in the field of play. The Bears should have gotten the ball somewhere within the 5 yard line. Do you admit that this would have been the correct call on that play? There isn't even a reason to debate if it was a fumble or not. The result is the same either way.

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Ok.

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So, you admit that the Bears should have had the ball somewhere within the 5 yard line?

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Potato salad

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This is a bad look for a guy who has been mocking Bears fans since the play happened.

It turns out the Bears fans were correct in thinking that the play was called poorly.

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Dead horse? Just admit that the Bears should have had the ball within the 5 yard line and that Bears fans were right to be upset at a bad call that went against them and it is over.

You are still flopping around on the floor trying to get up.

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Did you miss the post where I admitted I was wrong?

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All you have to do is say that yes the Bears should have had the ball within the 5 yard line.

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Rick, I was wrong about the rule, as I said yesterday. The Bears should have retained possession. How many more times do I need to say it?

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Long Time Guy wins again.

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That was the only time. Next time don't mock Bears fans incessantly about complaining about a bad call against them.

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That's all fine, but Boyd would do better. I await a witty and appropriate pro wrestling gif from him. What are those guys pounding in the ring these days, triple IPA's?

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Admitting that I was wrong twice is necessary to satisfy BRick. I will remember that for the future.

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Only when you are kind of a dick for about 36 hours....

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For the record, I wasn't mocking Bears' fans for complaining about a bad call. I was mocking the fans who directly blamed the referees for two losses. Those are two different things.

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Except, you know, you did it pretty much right away after the call:

That was 6 minutes after you claimed it was a a fumble and a touchback and you continued to tell every person who said it was the wrong call that they were wrong.

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I was trying to clear up what it was that I was mocking. For posterity.

I was wrong about the rule, BRick. This is now my third time admitting it. I have a fourth ready to go, if need be.

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The point is that you couldn't have simply been mocking the Bears fans for saying it lost them the game, which was mostly a made up thought anyways, because you were mocking Bears fans for it BEFORE the loss even happened!

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Chus:I was wrong about the rule, BRick. This is now my third time admitting it. I have a fourth ready to go, if need be.


Do you remember the time Chus admitted he got the Bear’s call wrong 3 times, but Brick pressured him to admit it a 4th time?

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