That sucky better be right.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

I don't think I have said one word defending Tanner Gentry. Another white guy WR who showed some flash during exhibition season. I've been watching too many seasons to get sucked in by that! My main beef is with Bellamy. He has dropped so many big passes over the last 2 years, I lost count!

Special Team Ace?...fine,just STOP THROWING TO HIM!

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

I wonder if people held the same biases against Adam Thelien?

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

At least your meatballery nature acknowledges the importance of special teams.

It cost the Seahawks a game and possibly a trip to the playoffs last night.

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It's pretty clear this team has checked out. Fire Fox now, play out the string as best you can, and get started on next season.

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They should fire him and stick in one of the offensive coaches to finish it out and throw the ball. I'd choose Ragone but he has not HC experience at any level and neither does any other offensive coach.

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Bring in Wanny!

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

I'm still opposed to a midseason firing. This is not as bad as the Trestman collapse so far though I'll admit it can easily get that bad in the next couple weeks. Its not like the Bears will gain anything but bringing some interim moron they'll just boot after week 17 anyways. All it will do is sate your bloodlust.

Unless Fox does something truly unprofessional, like what Trestman did, there's no reason. Let (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky keep taking his lumps, scout the guys you think are in the plans for next year, and wait. I really dont think Pace is going to get fired, I also dont think he should. He was playing for 2018-19 in the offseason.

There's no chance Pace gets fired unless he does some non-football stupid thing.

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Like driving around the city masturbating in the car?

Is he wearing a seat belt?

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Yes. With a giant hole in the lap belt.

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Or they turn into a complete clown show, which I dont think Fox will allow.

Pace survives and very doubtful they axe Fox before the end of the season unless Fagio wants the gig for the rest of the year.

Unless the new HC absolutely wants him keeping Fangio, much less promoting him, would be the first thing Pace has done that would seriously make me want him fired. The Bears defense hasn't been that great this year.

I think Fox gets fired on Christmas Day, 24 hours after Cleveland comes into the lakefront and beat the Bears for their only one of the season.

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Pace probably is bad. In the best case scenario he is average. Letting him hire another coach means you have to give him another 3 to 4 years or you get a situation where the new GM didn't hire the coach which is normally bad.

Fire both. Clean house with a guy who can build around (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I think Pace and "his guy" have one season to win some games. Maybe two.

Its impossible to really say Pace is bad when the most important decision he can make as GM was instead handled by Ted Phillips and Ernie Accorsi.

That is the part that bothers me. He should be allowed to hire his own HC. If we could really say that Fox was Paces guy then by all means he should hit the door as well.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Don't care.

If he accepted a job and didn't get to pick his own first coaching hire then that's even worse. It's not like he inherited Fox.

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Well if he's not involved in coaching decisions then he's basically in charge of scouting, which he's done a pretty decent job at so far.

firing the head scout because the Bears cant manage resources or find a coach with a pulse seems vindictive.

I do think it would be fair to let Pace hire his own man this time. I sorta got the Accorsi deal when the HC and GM jobs had to be filled at the same time, but they can't do that again. Now that he's had a few years to craft a vision for the team, he should get to pick his coach. And if this coach sucks like the last two, then they're both gone. (And then we get another Accorsi deal and the wheel goes round and round again?)

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Not really. Many teams have completely outclassed the bears this year. This isn't a league that requires 5 years to look competitive.

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And this is why they wouldn't hire Toub. If they hire Toub it clearly signals a McCaskey family pick.

Even if it is Pace's #1 choice, nobody would believe it and he knows it. He needs to make "his hire" so it will be someone that is not linked to others in the organization or its history. It's his chance to make a mark for this job / legacy / resume.

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I think the biggest indictment of Pace is that he "hired" a coach he didn't want. That should be non-negotiable for any GM. If Fox was already the coach then maybe require a year like they did with Lovie but no chance you do that as a new hire.

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The Bears panicked.

They didn't even let Pace truly conduct a search. I don't put that on him.

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It had to come up in the interview. If not then Pace should have said no to Fox and risk getting fired.

In reality, I think Pace was fine with Fox.

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If they don’t get to 5 wins, Pace and Fox are gone. If they don’t win again, Teddy will be gone too.

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I wouldn't bank on Teddy going anywhere.