Hoiberg is the worst coach in the history of the league.

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"spread-offense maestro Fred Hoiberg "?

I stopped reading after that.

I stopped reading after "On offense, they embrace the zeitgeist"

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Did you even read the article?

There’s not an art to tanking. It’s not difficult to put together a roster of 12 guys who suck at basketball.

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There is something to be said for tanking. There is nothing dumber than thinking you can win with mediocre players. See the Bulls during Jalen Rose/ Crawford era.

Thinking you can win or trying to win with a roster full of losers is one of the dumbest ideas ever conceived.

You win with elite talent. Whether you acquire it by tanking or the euphemistically appealing "losing" doesn't matter.

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Maybe you shouldn't have stopped reading. He actually had pertinent information in there.

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None of that is a response to my post and tanking usually doesn’t work in the nba. I’ve proven this to you multiple times.

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As usual you've stated something multiple times and presumed it to be fact.

I can provide a number of instances throughout history where teams have lost intentionally and it's worked out for the franchise.

Do you want me to provide a list of current NBA teams that have attempted to "win" every year for the past 5 years and have gotten absolutely nowhere because of it?

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This tank job changed the course of history for the Bulls. People either are unaware or probably forgot about it but this subtle deal at the trade deadline allowed the Bulls an opportunity to draft the greatest player in basketball history.

You want to continue to discuss how tanking doesn't work?


http://www.nytimes.com/1984/02/16/sport ... kings.html

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Figure out what tanking is. Then we can have a discussion about it. (Hint: it’s not one mid season trade)

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Huh? It can be and it was in that instance. You can't redefine it to fit your narrative. That was a tank job. It was considered that at the time also.

I just provided factual evidence of how a slip of one or two slots alters the course of history.

That move enabled the Bulls to draft Jordan. The Bulls Gave Theus away in order to improve their draft position. That's tanking.

I was aware of it at the time. You weren't.

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It happened two years before I was born so you are correct that I don’t remember it happening. But the rest of your post is wrong. Tanking is purposely not competing and it’s done before a season even begins. That Bulls team doesn’t fit the definition and I haven’t redefined anything.

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That Bulls team wasn't trying to win. They'd benched Theus well before that. Two rookies were starting in the backcourt.

Theus at the time was easily their best player. Obvious tank job.

You're unaware of the circumstances yet you proceed to tell what they were anyway. Impressive.

I just provided evidence of where it worked. Don't know what else to say.

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No you didn’t. You seem to think every bad team is tanking and every team that trades a player for draft picks is tanking. That’s wrong, and it’s impossible to discuss tanking when you’re going by that definition.

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I'm not going to debate semantics. That's futile. What I will State is that in that instance the Bulls were intentionally trying to lose in order to improve their draft position. It worked.

You won't concede that Philly Tanked. Most likely because it's working

Your conception of what constitutes a tank job is woefully off too. Tanking can occur at any point of the season. There are a few ways in which a franchise can "tank the season".

It doesn't have to begin at the beginning of the year.

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The last two parts of this post are wrong, as usual. The Philly part is also wrong. I’ve never once argued they haven’t tanked, they are literally the textbook definition of tanking. I said I wouldn’t intentionally lose for 4-5 straight years like they did even to get star players.

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Clearly states that tanking doesn't have to entail an entire season.

You're wrong as usual

https://www.sbnation.com/2014/1/10/5266 ... tanking-gm

Clearly relative to what the Bulls did in order to land Jordan.

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No maybe you should because obviously you don't have much of a clue about it.

As I said as a 10 about to be 11 year old kid I remembered this trade vividly. Changed history.


The Bulls decided early on to bench their best player thus suppressing win totals. They later decided to essentially give him away for nothing. They were also on a 5 game winning streak at the time they traded him.

Bulls record Pre Theus trade was 21-28.

Bulls record Post Theus trade was 6-27.

They tanked the season in order to get a high draft choice.

That high draft choice turned into Michael Jordan.

It's that simple.


http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/re ... f0mwz7jrtd

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Hit submit twice. Edited the 2nd post.

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Lose games
Draft Jordan because someone else took Bowie

Not exactly success by design.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Win games lose one draft spot minimum and draft Sam Perkins. You decide.

They wouldn't even be in position to capitalize on Portland's mistake if they'd done it your way.

Even if Portland takes Jordan Bulls still would have had an opportunity to take Barkley.

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This Butler trade is looking better and better.

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Dunn looking good as is Nwaba & the Swede. Back to back wins. No!!!!

Quick, trade Mirotic.

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The Bulls have been losing some close ones. Add in a couple of guys tossing in 30 (Nwaba & bustaface) and you got some more wins coming up.

It's the best 6-20 team I have ever seen.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

When they get Lavine back this is a 40-win type team

Lavine
Dunn
Niko
Lauri
Portis(?)
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Nwaba
Lopez
Grant
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other guys who should never see playing time.

Still hoping they can get a top 4-5 but I bet they don't.

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Hurry up. That's 3 straight wins.

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In Hoiberg We Trust

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Hoiberg may be just good enough of a coach to screw the tank job up. For that he definitely should be whacked.

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