So you're saying Wiggins is more talented because he was drafted higher and expected to be better coming into the league. That's an interesting take. Is Wiggins also more talented than Kawhi Leonard?

Butler is a better defender, shooter, rebounder, and passer. He's a better scorer AND a more efficient scorer. Outside of pre-NBA hype, you can't find one solid thing to suggest Wiggins is better at basketball than Butler. This year there is a very stark difference in their performance.

Take the L on this one man. It's a bad look insisting a player is more talented than another player who beats him in every single category.

You obviously don't know the difference between Better player and better talent. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who'd go on the record and say that Butler is more talented than Wiggins. I don't think you know what constitutes talent.

You failed to explain to me what talent is in that response. And Butler is 10x the finisher that Wiggins is. It’s his best trait and it’s why he’s been the Wolves go to guy down the stretch this year.

Andrew Wiggins has a better handle and he gets his shot off with greater ease than Butler. That's talent. He also is more talented scorer overall than Butler.

What are Butler's talents as a player?

What does he do well? Don't give me stats. Break his game down.

Butler is shooting 36% from the 3 last year and this year. Once again, youth is not a talent, so stop bringing up their ages. This discussion is and always has been about who is "more talented" currently, not who was better at age 23.

So yeah, Butler is shooting 36% from 3, Wiggins is shooting 30%. Clear advantage for Butler there. Butler is also shooting 43% on 2 point shots from 18-22 feet, which is currently 17th in the entire NBA. So yeah, he's a very good shooter. Deal with it.

You're not making much sense. Talent is always relative to age. Where did you ever get so foolishness from? You're comparing a 28 year old to a 22 year old and saying that age shouldn't be factored in. That makes no sense.


When people discuss talent it's usually relative to age. This is dumb.

Butler at 22 was nowhere near the talent or player that Wiggins is now. This is stupid.

Is Kawhi Leonard more talented now than he was five years ago? This is an easy question to answer.

You are literally the only person I've ever heard say being young is a talent. I'm used to bizarre takes from you by now though so no big deal.

Is Kawhi Leonard more talented now than he was five years ago? Why or why not?

Yeah. He couldn't create a shot 5 years ago.

Let's compare their talents at the age of 22. Even now Wiggins is simply a more talented scorer than Butler. Last year proved that.

Eddie Curry had more talent than Zach Randolph.

I love ltg. He has the sticktoitedness that others don't.

That's why TWTW is important. I'll take a guy who has average talent and TWTW over a guy with above average talent and no heart every day of the week.

That's why I've always found it silly to argue about "talent'. It's irrelevant. Was Rasheed Wallace the most talented forward ever? I dunno, maybe. He wasn't nearly the best though so it really doesn't matter.

Talent matters. TJ McConnell has TWTW. He will never be more than 10th man because he lacks talent. The great ones tend to be talented sorry. I've seen a lot of try hard guys I.E. Hinrich hell Keith Bogans tried hard. You ain't winning shit with them and no talent.