Im pulling for these boys to win it all, best Defense since the 02 Bucs or 00 Ravens..both won the SB.both had a mediocre QB.

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Better than the '13 Seahawks?

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No.

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They are having a nice year, but lets not go crazy about how good their defense is.

Best since the 02 Bucs? Get that weak shit out of here.

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Nope.

Very close though.

I'm pulling for them too.

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I don't agree with it but it's not a crazy opinion at all. Their defense has been absolutely dominant all season long outside of the fluke game against Tennessee early in the season.

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They have been really good. But I have a hard time labeling them as absolutely dominant when they are 19th in rush yds allowed on the season. They have been great against the pass. I am not even sure they are the best defense in the league this season, much less the best since 2002.

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If you’re not sure you should ask somebody. There’s nobody close. Minnesota would be a distant second imo.

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The Jags have existed for 23 years, and this marks their seventh playoff appearance. In those 23 years, the Bears have four appearances.

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Nobody close? The numbers do not share that opinion.

Either way the playoffs will tell the tale. Absolutely dominant defenses roll in the playoffs. So we will see how they hold up in the playoffs.

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Really?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... 17/opp.htm

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

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Again, on that link you just showed they are 19th in rushing yds allowed. How can you be dominant and be 19th? Please explain that one. A dominant defense is good at stopping both the pass and the run.

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Well they’ve allowed like 4 or 5 70 yard runs this year so it throws it off a bit. On one of them, Bilal Powell was on the ground and everyone thought he was down and jumped up and ran it all the way.

But to answer your question directly, they are 19th against the run because teams simply cannot pass the ball against them. There’s no choice but to run.

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I agree with you it won’t mean anything if they allow 20+ and lose in their first playoff game.

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Yep.

They have been really good. I hope they have a dominant run in the playoffs. I just dont think you can call them them the best since 02. The Broncos of 15 and the Seahawks of 13 were both pretty damn good.

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I don't think it's a slight to those teams to say Jacksonville is in their class. Nobody is saying those defenses weren't great.


I disagree that it's a necessity, You know how everyone says its a passing league and has been saying it for years? Well it's not when teams play Jacksonville. They destroyed pretty much every QB they faced this year, allowing an average QB rating of 65.2 for the season. Considering the current climate of the league, I don't know how you can say that's not dominant. They're leaving teams no other choice but to try to run.

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Weren't the 15 Broncos doing pretty much the same thing in the same climate and yet were a top run stuffing defense as well?

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Yeah they were great. Jags allowing less points and passing yards but that Denver team was a lot better at stopping the run.

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Possibly, I forgot about them.. Nobody can pass on these guys in an era where all the rules are set up to be able to throw the ball.

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Vegan settled it.

2017 Jags > 2015 Broncos.

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Idk about that. You'd have to factor in strength of schedule and all that. But I'm sick and tired of this yards stuff, both on offense and defense. It's such a flawed perspective. Sometimes teams give up runs or passes to keep the game clock ticking because they've already locked up a win and are just letting the other team die out. That's why the dumbest question after the game is "hey coach, do you think things would have turned out differently if you had a more balanced run pass ratio?" And I guess it's no accident that I've got Zaidmans voice in my head as I hear that question. Game flow is fluid and in the end all that matters is keeping the opposing team out of the end zone as much as possible.

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i can't abide by a team with those helmets. i hope their playoff run exposes how awful they are to more people so they'll change them.

Yeah, as cool as it is to see a hard-luck franchise turn it around like this, a team with gold-to-matte-graphite gradient helmets deserves its luck.

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Smacksonville. Cuz they gettin smacked around.

44 points to the 49ers. Yeah that should end the discussion on them being the best since 2002. 2nd time they have given up over 40 points

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Their defense hasn’t allowed 40 points yet this year. 49ers had a pick six today and another INT returned to the 30. Before today the most any team scored against them was 37, a game where Bortles again threw a pick 6.

But keep judging a team based on their worst performance of the season.

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My apologies they allowed 37 pts to the 5-10 49ers.

So how many of these performances are they allowed to have this season and still be considered dominant?

Against Tenn was considered to be an early season fluke. So what is this one? They gave up a ton of points to a team that beat the Bears by 1 pt with 5 FGs.

They are not even close to as good as the 13 Seahawks and the 15 Bronocos and they do not belong in the same sentence as the 2000 Ravens or 2002 Bucs

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So... you do understand that a pick 6 isn’t points against the defense right?

They still are giving up less passing yards, TDs, and points then the 15 Broncos while allowing a worse QB rating.

But hey, dominant defenses can’t have bad games. Guess Marino proved the ‘85 Bears D wasn’t dominant.

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Yes, that is why I said they gave up 37 instead of 44.

So again, how many bad performances are they allowed to have and still be considered dominant?

The Bears had a bad night against one of the greatest QBs of all time and a team that was a legit Superbowl contender. The Jags had a bad performance against an awful team with a QB that has been a lifetime backup. Surely you see the difference.

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