That's not correct. There are bad shots that actually go in as well.

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Aldridge is a high draft pick. Pau Gasol too. Rudy Gay was a top 10 pick too.

I know you are all in on Leonard but he missed the majority of this season and they still were #3 in the conf.

Yes they have drafted well but they have never won anything without Tim Duncan as their best player.

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Im all in on the Spurs. They’ve been my second team since Kawhi was like 10 years old. And the bold part is just showing how good the team is. If you think it’s an indication Kawhi isn’t as great as we think then just look at what they did to Golden State in 4.5 games with him and 3.5 games without him last season.

Edit: already proved your last part wrong before too. Don’t feel like reposting all the stats but they all say Kawhi was better than duncan that year.

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Are the Bulls tanking? If they are Mirotic is traded ...they can get more than Philly got for Oakafor. So talking about Mirotic is like you useless

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Stats often don't tell the entire story. Many of the stats accumulated by Leonard were accumulated because Duncan received most of the attention.

When it became Leonard's team 2 years ago they were bumped out by OKC.

We will never know about G.S. last season either. I say this as Spurs fan that goes back to the era when they had Strickland and Cummings on the roster. Hell i liked them with Iceman too.

I like Leonard but their team isn't all about him. Tim Duncan is the main reason that they are a model franchise. He was that good.

He was also a bona fide franchise player following his freshman year in college.

You don't generally get those guys ib the middle of the first round.

I just provided the numbers. High draft picks win for you.

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not in the 6ers case

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

I never said their team is all about him. If it started being all about him they wouldn’t be the Spurs anymore and I would like them less.

And what you fail to realize is Kawhi was the best defensive player in the league that year and that doesn’t even show up on the stats. So yes, you are right that stats don’t tell the whole story. It’s clear anyway you measure it that Kawhi was the best player on that team. Those Finals games are in Youtube. Go rewatch them.

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And you say this because...?

Its useless to give credence to any of your opinions since you don't watch the games. You are nothing more than a universal diss machine.

If someone praises anything Bulls related like Kris Dunn, you're Johnny on the spot with your customary bash job. They will be lambasted for Making him the next Stockton. #Truth.

Gets old. You gotta find a new bag.

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He sucks at almost everything. Lauri, Portis, and Niko are all better players, even when playing the 5. He’s not a rim protector or rebounder or good defender. All three of those guys can space the floor way better, something that will help any lineups that include Dunn and Nwaba playing at the same time.

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Obviously any of those three would space the ball better but all teams would have to do is pound the ball inside. Lopez is decent and an experienced 5 whereas the other 3 can't handle that position for the majority of a game. We are not at the point where 5's are dinosaurs yet.

I already have. Even if Leonard was the best player during the finals (which i find debatable) They don't make it to the Finals without Duncan playing at an extremely high level.

Duncan was All NBA which i know doesn't hold much sway with you, but it does matter to just about everyone else that follows Pro basketball.

No one game planned for Kawhi Leonard that season. They did for Duncan Parker and Ginobili. He was a 3rd or 4th option on offense.

Helluva defender though but his offense hadn't quite caught up yet. He made shots during the Finals and when he did it was sort of surprising. The Heat were still comfortable playing off of him because the thinking was that he was still limited offensively.

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It was not surprising to Real Spurs fans. Those of us who followed the team knew by December who the best player was. I said it on here at the time. Duncan was still great at times, but the torch had been passed.

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Plus teams would pound the ball inside to get those 3 in foul trouble.

I just wouldn’t worry about that. If Durant can play center so can those three. Yes, it would hurt you on some nights, but it would be a more effective lineup against the vast majority of the league. I also don’t think Lopez is nearly as effective at defending 5’s as you suggest. Dwight Howard is one of the few traditional 5’s left and he destroyed Lopez when they played.

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Once Duncan faltered they were bounced by OKC (team you hated). If Leonard was the primary reason for success then why couldn't they get past them?

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The same reason they don’t win the title every year - there are other very good teams in the league too. OKC was one of them when they had Durant. You hate when I say stuff is obvious, but this response is.

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I just wouldn’t worry about that. If Durant can play center so can those three. Yes, it would hurt you on some nights, but it would be a more effective lineup against the vast majority of the league. I also don’t think Lopez is nearly as effective at defending 5’s as you suggest. Dwight Howard is one of the few traditional 5’s left and he destroyed Lopez when they played.[/quote]


We have to stick to the script. Head to heads don't matter.

Lopez obviously helps the team. He anchors their interior D and he can score on offense. He is better than I thought originally.

My reason for dealing him relates to Portis. I think Portis's best position is the 5 spot. I'd like to see him get the shot as a starting 5. Lopez stands in the way of that.

They have to find something to do with Felicio. That contract is burning the hell out of them right now.

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Damn I actually forgot about the Felicio contract. Fuck.

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You didn't think OKC was much of shit at the time. Weren't supposed to win a game against G.S. as i Remember. Didn't stand a chance. Now they are a good team.

I'm a Leonard fan but the key to that team was always Duncan. He was that good. Until I see him do it as the guy then I'm not sold. If he gets them to the finals and loses that's enough.

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3 more years for a guy that doesn't play. Bad money there.

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OKC was a very good team that year. This isn’t deniable.

I’m not sure what your point here even is. You saw Leonard do it as the guy. Sucks you don’t see that but it happened. And yes, once Duncan continued to decline even more the team got a little bit worse and then OKC beat them. That’s not a reflection on Leonard.

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Lopez is crap ...every time he puts the ball on the floor he loses it......if you keep him the team is shit

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Here are Duncan's numbers during the Western Conf. Finals against OKC.

No doubt as to which player had more impact.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... spurs.html

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If the Bulls end up at 6 or 7 it's not the end of the world. This draft is now 7 deep with elite talent. Honestly, the best fit for the Bulls might be Jaren Jackson Jr. 6'11 SF, already an amazing defensive player, can shoot 3s, post up and pretty much do it all.

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