It is currently Wed Nov 27, 2024 6:24 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 38 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:13 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB

Joined: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:29 pm
Posts: 33998
Yep. I figured it out. Here's my reasoning.

1. There is no way somebody at WBBM or WSCR said, "Hey we need to make a switch". Why would they care or even think to make a change? Things are going well. Grote was good with the Cubs. And Zack just got the stupid sound at Halas Hall and apologized for the Bears.

2. Pat is powerful and like somebody mentioned, didn't get Grote's humor. Didn't like that he would out shine him at times. I don't think he liked Grote. Pat has an ego. In fact, I remember Rozner once saying a few years ago that Pat didn't want the pre/post game guy doing "play by play" in the inning he took off. That was his call. That's why it's always been the color guy doing it. The athlete does it instead of the pro broadcaster. Which doesn't make sense. But it's because Pat knows the athlete is no threat where the pre/post guy might be a threat.

3. Zack is a classic broadcasting type with no personality. Which is what Pat wants. Not a Grote type with a personality.

Boom!!! There it is. (Drops the mic)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:16 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 55959
pizza_Place: Barstool One Bite Frozen
Beardown wrote:
In fact, I remember Rozner once saying a few years ago that Pat didn't want the pre/post game guy doing "play by play" in the inning he took off. That was his call. That's why it's always been the color guy doing it.

You remembered wrong: Andy Masur, Cory Provus, and Judd Sirott all did pregame, postgame, and limited play-by-play.

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:17 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:24 am
Posts: 38635
Location: RST Video
pizza_Place: Bill's Pizza - Mundelein
Beardown wrote:
Yep. I figured it out. Here's my reasoning.

1. There is no way somebody at WBBM or WSCR said, "Hey we need to make a switch". Why would they care or even think to make a change? Things are going well. Grote was good with the Cubs. And Zack just got the stupid sound at Halas Hall and apologized for the Bears.

2. Pat is powerful and like somebody mentioned, didn't get Grote's humor. Didn't like that he would out shine him at times. I don't think he liked Grote. Pat has an ego. In fact, I remember Rozner once saying a few years ago that Pat didn't want the pre/post game guy doing "play by play" in the inning he took off. That was his call. That's why it's always been the color guy doing it. The athlete does it instead of the pro broadcaster. Which doesn't make sense. But it's because Pat knows the athlete is no threat where the pre/post guy might be a threat.

3. Zack is a classic broadcasting type with no personality. Which is what Pat wants. Not a Grote type with a personality.

Boom!!! There it is. (Drops the mic)


I think it may be time to change your meds, big guy...

_________________
Darkside wrote:
Our hotel smelled like dead hooker vagina (before you ask I had gotten a detailed description from beardown)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:22 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB

Joined: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:29 pm
Posts: 33998
Curious Hair wrote:
Beardown wrote:
In fact, I remember Rozner once saying a few years ago that Pat didn't want the pre/post game guy doing "play by play" in the inning he took off. That was his call. That's why it's always been the color guy doing it.

You remembered wrong: Andy Masur, Cory Provus, and Judd Sirott all did pregame, postgame, and limited play-by-play.


Well, maybe since Keith Moreland got there then. Because Moreland did play by play. Coomer does it now. And Rozner did say this a few years ago.

And the only reason the other guys did it was because Ron Santo was an idiot and couldn't do it. Pat knew that. Or maybe Santo refused to do it.

Hughes forced Grote out. Believe it or don't. But if you don't believe it, you're wrong. It's the only logical explanation.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:46 pm
Posts: 10109
pizza_Place: Q's Hillside
Grote getting his girlfriend pregnant would be an equally plausible reason.

Although I tend to agree with you on this one, which frightens me.

_________________
"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:48 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:26 pm
Posts: 31155
Location: West Side
pizza_Place: Paisan's in Cicero
I couldn't see Grote getting his girlfriend pregnant and not at least announcing an engagement or (shotgun) wedding.

_________________
Seacrest wrote:
I rarely troll.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:50 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 55959
pizza_Place: Barstool One Bite Frozen
spmack wrote:
I couldn't see Grote getting his girlfriend pregnant and not at least announcing an engagement or (shotgun) wedding.

Yeah, he's not Wayne Randazzo.

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:58 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB

Joined: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:29 pm
Posts: 33998
spmack wrote:
I couldn't see Grote getting his girlfriend pregnant and not at least announcing an engagement or (shotgun) wedding.


Goff: Damn right!!!! On the engagement part. Not the wedding part, playa.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:13 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:26 pm
Posts: 31155
Location: West Side
pizza_Place: Paisan's in Cicero
Curious Hair wrote:
spmack wrote:
I couldn't see Grote getting his girlfriend pregnant and not at least announcing an engagement or (shotgun) wedding.

Yeah, he's not Wayne Randazzo.

Ouch. That's true?

_________________
Seacrest wrote:
I rarely troll.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:14 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:29 pm
Posts: 38697
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
If not Hughes , something happened behind the scenes to cause this. No way was this Grotes call to walk away from this . Someone wanted him to not do this any longer .

_________________
Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:16 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm
Posts: 57244
badrogue17 wrote:
If not Hughes , something happened behind the scenes to cause this. No way was this Grotes call to walk away from this . Someone wanted him to not do this any longer .

Yeah and no one wants ZZ

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."


Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:29 pm
Posts: 38697
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
RFDC wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
If not Hughes , something happened behind the scenes to cause this. No way was this Grotes call to walk away from this . Someone wanted him to not do this any longer .

Yeah and no one wants ZZ

Only thing that makes sense is if for some reason the Cub wanted someone in that role who has no chance of ever impregnating a woman.

_________________
Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:22 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm
Posts: 57244
badrogue17 wrote:
RFDC wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
If not Hughes , something happened behind the scenes to cause this. No way was this Grotes call to walk away from this . Someone wanted him to not do this any longer .

Yeah and no one wants ZZ

Only thing that makes sense is if for some reason the Cub wanted someone in that role who has no chance of ever impregnating a woman.


So it was either ZZ or IMU ....tough one

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."


Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:25 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:29 pm
Posts: 38697
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
They’re saving the IMU card for when Theo leaves

_________________
Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:25 am
Posts: 10462
pizza_Place: Investigating
What are the chances ZZ wanted a change and pulled the longevity with the 670 team card?

Reviewed tweets, and Grote has been more Bear centric since the end of baseball. Has more Mirotic retweets from KJ than he does anything on WCUB. Almost as though he knew this was coming. Question is did he push for exit, or someone else.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:28 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:25 am
Posts: 10462
pizza_Place: Investigating
If beni puts on his Dr. Ken thinking cap, one must ask 'Who is the stronger branch of the LOHO mentoring tree?' ZZ


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:29 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:29 pm
Posts: 38697
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
beni hanna wrote:
What are the chances ZZ wanted a change and pulled the longevity with the 670 team card?

Reviewed tweets, and Grote has been more Bear centric since the end of baseball. Has more Mirotic retweets from KJ than he does anything on WCUB. Almost as though he knew this was coming. Question is did he push for exit, or someone else.

They might have told him after the Cubs season was over and said the move wouldn’t be made until Zaidman was finished with the Bears this year. That timing makes sense.

_________________
Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:33 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB

Joined: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:29 pm
Posts: 33998
badrogue17 wrote:
beni hanna wrote:
What are the chances ZZ wanted a change and pulled the longevity with the 670 team card?

Reviewed tweets, and Grote has been more Bear centric since the end of baseball. Has more Mirotic retweets from KJ than he does anything on WCUB. Almost as though he knew this was coming. Question is did he push for exit, or someone else.

They might have told him after the Cubs season was over and said the move wouldn’t be made until Zaidman was finished with the Bears this year. That timing makes sense.


Why the hell would the SCORE care about what ZZ wanted? What card would ZZ have?

ZZ: I want the Cubs job or else!!!!

SCORE: Or else what?

ZZ: Ummmmm, nothing. Don't be mad at me. Can I still have the Bears?

SCORE: Exactly. Get the fuck out of here, Red

No way it's a ZZ power play because he has no power.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:35 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB

Joined: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:29 pm
Posts: 33998
Hughes to Grote....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfxBUTJeD_M


Last edited by Beardown on Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:55 am
Posts: 6549
pizza_Place: Giordano's
The bigger picture here is who is actually running the station. The person who has a show on week nights and weekends. That is right, Julie Dicaro. Grote must of crossed her. Maybe not of bought her that last diet dew in the vending machine.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 06, 2016 10:39 am
Posts: 1493
pizza_Place: Aurelio's
The only thing worse than Zaidman covering the Bears is Zaidman covering the Cubs.

_________________
God is the uncaused cause of the universe. He had no beginning and has no end. He is not bound by the laws of the universe he created.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:39 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB

Joined: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:29 pm
Posts: 33998
Pat knows the "color guy" is gonna be bad at the play by play for the one inning. And it's accepted by everybody because it's the dumb jock doing it. The last thing Pat wanted was to hear the pre and post guy do it because people might think he's better then him.

Also, Pat might have heard from a lot of Cubs fans that they liked Grote. Pat didn't like that Grote had become popular. That didn't sit well with him. So he talked to Cubs brass and they got Grote the hell out of there.

Making the switch to the bland, no personality, cookie-cutter-broadcaster, Zack Zaidman. Somebody that Pat would be comfortable with. Because no Cubs fan is ever gonna say they like Zack. Nobody likes Zack. That's how Pat wants it. Just like nobody really liked the pre and post guys before Grote. They were that bland type as well.

We have always heard stories about how Harry Caray was a dick to his fellow broadcasters. Pat Hughes learned this from Harry. Pat worked with Harry for a few years. Pat thinks he's a mad man like Harry and can pull these power moves like Harry did. Harry got a few guys fired. I'll bet Keith Moreland was let go because Pat didn't like him.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 55959
pizza_Place: Barstool One Bite Frozen
Pat learned a hell of a lot more from Bob Uecker than he ever did from Harry Caray, but you know what, just roll.

_________________
Molly Lambert wrote:
The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:45 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB

Joined: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:29 pm
Posts: 33998
Curious Hair wrote:
Pat learned a hell of a lot more from Bob Uecker than he ever did from Harry Caray, but you know what, just roll.


He learned the good side from Uecker and the evil side from Harry.

I'm talking about the politics of it. Not the broadcasting.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:14 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:18 pm
Posts: 4865
pizza_Place: Luigi's
Beardown wrote:
Pat knows the "color guy" is gonna be bad at the play by play for the one inning. And it's accepted by everybody because it's the dumb jock doing it. The last thing Pat wanted was to hear the pre and post guy do it because people might think he's better then him.

Also, Pat might have heard from a lot of Cubs fans that they liked Grote. Pat didn't like that Grote had become popular. That didn't sit well with him. So he talked to Cubs brass and they got Grote the hell out of there.

Making the switch to the bland, no personality, cookie-cutter-broadcaster, Zack Zaidman. Somebody that Pat would be comfortable with. Because no Cubs fan is ever gonna say they like Zack. Nobody likes Zack. That's how Pat wants it. Just like nobody really liked the pre and post guys before Grote. They were that bland type as well.

We have always heard stories about how Harry Caray was a dick to his fellow broadcasters. Pat Hughes learned this from Harry. Pat worked with Harry for a few years. Pat thinks he's a mad man like Harry and can pull these power moves like Harry did. Harry got a few guys fired. I'll bet Keith Moreland was let go because Pat didn't like him.

Open question to Mac - You once stated that Beardown is more accurate than we realize at times. How close is he with this post? I miss Grote on Cubs' broadcasts. I've never been a ZZ guy and he was tolerable with the Bears stuff. However, ZZ is way too much with the Cubs thing. How about it, Mac? Did Beardown nail this one?

_________________
"This is Chicago, my friend. Anything can happen."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:39 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:29 pm
Posts: 38697
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Word on the mean streets of the Twitterverse is that noted company drone Crane Kenney wasn’t the biggest fan of how Grote fit in the broadcast and made a call to Mitch.

_________________
Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:41 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:18 pm
Posts: 4865
pizza_Place: Luigi's
badrogue17 wrote:
Word on the mean streets of the Twitterverse is that noted company drone Crane Kenney wasn’t the biggest fan of how Grote fit in the broadcast and made a call to Mitch.

That's unfortunate. Thanks, br. I like Pat & Mark and enjoyed the broadcasts better before ZZ.

_________________
"This is Chicago, my friend. Anything can happen."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:53 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:29 pm
Posts: 38697
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Godfella wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
Word on the mean streets of the Twitterverse is that noted company drone Crane Kenney wasn’t the biggest fan of how Grote fit in the broadcast and made a call to Mitch.

That's unfortunate. Thanks, br. I like Pat & Mark and enjoyed the broadcasts better before ZZ.

Glad to help Peeps.

_________________
Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:54 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:18 pm
Posts: 4865
pizza_Place: Luigi's
badrogue17 wrote:
Godfella wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
Word on the mean streets of the Twitterverse is that noted company drone Crane Kenney wasn’t the biggest fan of how Grote fit in the broadcast and made a call to Mitch.

That's unfortunate. Thanks, br. I like Pat & Mark and enjoyed the broadcasts better before ZZ.

Glad to help Peeps.

:lol:

_________________
"This is Chicago, my friend. Anything can happen."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:15 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:22 pm
Posts: 24559
pizza_Place: It's gone
I really liked Grote. Too bad good people get screwed in life but that's life. ZZ I haven't got used to yet on the post game. He's like a robot but that's how the Cubs have always liked it post Harry/Steve.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 38 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group