You’re thinking of the market a couple years ago.

$60M is a non-starter and less than $90M probably isn’t going to even be an option. If he can average 20-5-5 with 40% 3 point shooting you’re fine paying him $22M/year in this market.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Damn, you'd have made a hell of a Cubs fan. Declaring victory just by obtaining the prospects. They don't even have to DO anything. Must be nice.

You talked shit about Reinsdorf the other night. According to this thread, you must consider both his teams to be amazing right now.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

I dont think you can judge a trade based on the teams records the following year.

Not sure what is so crazy about saying that this trade worked out well for both teams and is therefore even. And I def think the potential is there to look at this trade and say that the Bulls won it. There was no way that was true at the time of the trade.

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

They are doing things. At the professional level. Not analogous to prospects in baseball.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Most of us are pretty much on the same page about it. I get what he’s saying though, he’s just overstating it. You’re saying it’s even or the Bulls slightly won. He’s saying if anyone is slightly ahead so far it’s Minnesota.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

What chance would ya say Jimmy stays in Minnesota after next year? 15% ?

They gave up a decent haul for 2 years of Jimmy Butler, Golden State has the league lockdowned for 2 years mininum.

_________________

I would pay Lavine $100M before I give Jimmy $200M. The rest of the league probably feels the same way. He'll stay in Minnesota.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Minnesota can pay him the most money. Thibs is in Minnesota. Minnesota is one of the best teams in the NBA.

75% chance he stays in Minnesota.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

I think you have it backwards. I’d say there’s only a 10-15% chance Butler leaves Minnesota before signing a long term extension.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

75? Wow.. Long ass winters, no night life..I would like it for the scenery, hunting n fishing..an NBA player probably wants something different. Couldn't the tax savings in Florida almost offset his Twolves max over a Heat max deal?

_________________

He seems like a simple guy that likes country music so Minnesota is probably fine.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Yup. He likes country music, giant fish tanks, and winning. Should be a T Wolve for life now.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Bulls definitely won this trade. That is even with the "recent resurgence" of Minnesota. The Bulls have a higher winning percentage with their core guys in place (even minus Lavine for all but 2 games) than Minnesota does for the entire year. 3 starters all 23 and younger too. NBA Hall of Famer Paul "the Truth" Pierce essentially supported what I have been stating all along. In order for the Wolves to make some noise KAT and not Buckets has to be their best player. Butler got the ball rolling but KAT has possibly been their best player for the past 3 to 4 weeks. Argument can be made. The Waterloo isn't going quite as expected and I will take the L on it but I still have them to fade by March.


The Bulls have three starters and all of them appear to be core guys. This was a major fleecing and Thibs may have erred by trading Lavine and not Wiggins. Time will tell but Lavine may end up being the better player of the two.

Minnesota isn't a contender. Book it!

_________________

You're back buddy!

Nailed it!

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Of course KAT has to be their best player. I know they're currently the 3rd seed but they won't truly be competing for a year or 2 and if KAT isn't their best player it would probably be time to blow it up. IMO Butler's job is to help build the foundation for Wiggins and KAT and when the Warriors age a little bit more the Wolves could face off against Boston or the 76ers in the Finals.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Month isn't over yet. Doesn't look good but they are going to take some losses. All of the wins were at home and I was only banking OKC and Cleveland of those teams. Both are playing terribly especially Cleveland.


I'm going to lose this one. I have the bet with you sewed up barring injury.

_________________

Their team would be in a much better position to compete going forward if they had the 3 guys the Bulls acquired in that trade. Even with all of the injuries the Bulls are only 4 games off their pace from last season. Think about that for a second. Minnesota was set up to compete for years to come and they blew it by settling for a first round exit in the playoffs.

_________________

Just following the Bulls again recently seems there are MANY people still butthurt about trading Butler. Crazy.

_________________
Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

I disagree. You can't pay everyone and if KAT becomes the force he should be they'll compete every year. They wouldn't even be a playoff team with the other guys this year and would be forced to trade Lavine at the deadline or give him $100M next summer. They needed someone like Butler. Finding a Taj is easier but both are helping build the foundation. You can see it in KAT. He's been a way better player recently. Even late in games he's made winning decisions.

Also it sounds like Thibs was fine with giving everyone up but Dunn (Your guy). The deal was dead until Thibs called back and requested that the Bulls include their draft pick in exchange for Dunn being added.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!

That’s hilarious. The only reason you have a chance in the bet is because of injury - to Harden and Curry. The bet is far from over and if the voting was held today I’d probably still win.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/mvp.html

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

I agree its Hilarious to think that the best player on a team contending for best record in the league won't be top 5 in MVP voting. Curry isn't even the best player on G.S.

Harden would've finished higher and so would Lebron. After that you have Irving and Durant. I'm doubtful about Lebron given their slide.

Anyone who doesn't think Irving is big time now is simply delusional. Not even a conversation at this point.

_________________

Edit

_________________

That’s hilarious. The only reason you have a chance in the bet is because of injury - to Harden and Curry. The bet is far from over and if the voting was held today I’d probably still win.

hit submit too much.

_________________

The two front runners are clearly Harden and LeBron still.

After that, it’s probably Giannis and Durant. Then you have Kyrie, DeRozan, Butler, Cousins, and a few other vying for that 5th spot.

Good luck.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Kyrie is in the tier with James and Harden. Easy money barring injury.

_________________