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denisdman

Post subject: Re: So Goff and Spiegel aren't gone.

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:42 am

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Curious Hair wrote:

denisdman wrote:

Wow Feder taking a shot at Goff. He always prints the best reader comment in the DH. Look at this one at the end of that:

"Tuesday’s best comment: Frank Kurtz: Hopefully, with the sidelining of Jason Goff, WSCR is realizing (like we can only hope ESPN will someday) that people watch and listen to sports programming for the sheer enjoyment that sports brings them. People follow sports to be entertained, not to be lectured to about social justice. There are plenty of stations that cover that topic. It’s simple. I don’t watch Fox News to find out how the Cubs or Blackhawks are doing, and I don’t expect to be subjected to SJW [Social Justice Warrior] lectures when I listen to sports programming. Everything has its proper place and time."

Yeah, that choice isn't accidental.

For sure, which is why I posted it. An intentional shot.

I wonder about the back story.

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rogers park bryan

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:44 am

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What is your guys guess on the political leanings of sports radio listeners?

I guess the location matters, so stick to Chicago.

Im thinking 70% right leaning. Im thinking that number would have been closer to 50/50 10 years ago.

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Douchebag

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:45 am

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rogers park bryan wrote:

What about people living in the 815?

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rogers park bryan

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:47 am

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Douchebag wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

What about people living in the 815?

That's a dumb myth. Some of my favorite most liberal leaning Uncle's are in the 815.

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denisdman

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:47 am

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It's not about political leanings but rather why a person tunes into 670. I doubt anyone tunes in to hear the political thoughts of the Score line-up. Even if we were all right leaning, we would have tons of disagreements on specific issues- military interventions, structure of tax cuts, deficit spending, etc, etc. But we would rather debate the Bears free agent signings.

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:50 am

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The comments in that piece are dumb. The one guy that works at Marquette Bank, Bob Warja, is really a treasure. You have people all over this board saying for many reasons Goff sucks but his entire reason for commenting is that anyone that says that is an old white racist.

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:50 am

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denisdman wrote:

Funny thing is that Feder is quite liberal himself, but I think he's pointing out the 'time and place' thing. But that brought out a firestorm of comments accusing him of being a racist.

What's the old Michael Jordan line, "Republicans buy sneakers too?" Same goes for all the silly products which Bernstein hawks, with the exception of the Cameron Hughes wine. No self-respecting Republican would buy that.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: So Goff and Spiegel aren't gone.

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:52 am

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denisdman wrote:

I disagree.

I think the target audience largely leans one way and the hosts were going another.

Im not saying that constant right leaning talk would be good. They definitely over did it no matter what side you're on.

But I think they could get away with the right leaning stuff in spots more than the left stuff.

For example, if theyre stance was that players SHOULD stand for the anthem, I dont think they'd get too much "stop talking politics!" comments. Not as many as taking up Kaepernick's cause anyway.

The country is changing, dman.

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GoldenJet

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:56 am

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B&G would dedicate entire shows, sometimes for days on end, to social issues. Similar to Cable News, they just beat that horse until the next talking point came along. That's a terrible formula for a sports radio show.

You want to touch on something during a segment, great. Then move on...and not back to national NBA talk.

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Rod

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:56 am

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I'd say the younger listener is likely to be liberal and chances are good the NBA is his favorite sport.

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GoldenJet

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:01 am

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Personally, I don't mind some NBA talk, hell I don't mind if Mully wants to talk soccer some. Variety is the spice of life. If I want to listen to national MLB talk, I have a station that does it well. Same goes for NHL, NBA, PGA. I do like a little of all of it on the Score...for the most part though, keep it local.

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rogers park bryan

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:03 am

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I'd say the younger listener is likely to be liberal and chances are good the NBA is his favorite sport.

I'd agree on the NBA but does the younger radio listener exist?

What person under 25 is listening to terrestrial radio?

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Baby McNown

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:05 am

Anybody have a copy of the Greenburg article to post? Sounds like he went even deeper on contracts and stuff.

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Rod

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:11 am

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GoldenJet wrote:

Yeah, it just has to make sense for the audience. They shouldn't ignore the NBA Finals. And I think they should talk about Daytona, the Indy 500 (in spite of its decline), the Kentucky Derby, the Masters, and Wimbledon. Those are big important traditional events. But I don't want to hear Rozner spend three hours on the Buick Open just because he likes golf. It's like Telander writing about the Dartmouth Women's Swimming Team. Self-indulgent as fuck.

Look, I don't like pro football, but I'm smart enough to know that a Chicago sports show should probably be about 40-50% Bears talk.

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Don Tiny

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:15 am

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Robert Feder update: I just deleted today’s “best comment.” I understand why I should not have highlighted it and I will try to do better next time.

A person of any stripe really has to put in work to make Feder out to be a bad guy.

'Racist' as a word has no actual meaning anymore. Goff is s racist towards white people. People that didn't like Goff are racist. Racist, racist, racist. It's the new 'boy who cried wolf' (not Bruce).

Bunch of intellectually challenged asswipes everywhere a person looks anymore.

Not to mention that somehow along the way 'racist' got conflated (part laziness, part penchant for hyperbolic invective as a part of normal speech) with 'racially insensitive', which is another discussion altogether.

I hate people.

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Hatchetman

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:28 am

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Don Tiny wrote:

I hate people.

Racist!

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Ogie Oglethorpe

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:29 am

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Don Tiny wrote:

Robert Feder update: I just deleted today’s “best comment.” I understand why I should not have highlighted it and I will try to do better next time.

Throwing out accusations like "racist" is just a way to shut up debate and lazily shame an opponent without directly refuting their point.

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Spaulding

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:33 am

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Douchebag wrote:

Polecat666 wrote:

Looks like they were demoted.
http://www.robertfeder.com/2018/03/14/score-adds-dan-mcneil-connor-mcknight-new-lineup/

From the article:
Tuesday’s best comment: Frank Kurtz: Hopefully, with the sidelining of Jason Goff, WSCR is realizing (like we can only hope ESPN will someday) that people watch and listen to sports programming for the sheer enjoyment that sports brings them. People follow sports to be entertained, not to be lectured to about social justice. There are plenty of stations that cover that topic. It’s simple. I don’t watch Fox News to find out how the Cubs or Blackhawks are doing, and I don’t expect to be subjected to SJW [Social Justice Warrior] lectures when I listen to sports programming. Everything has its proper place and time.

What a fucking snowflake. So this guy watches Fox News so he can listen to them hammer their bullshit, but god forbid someone expresses a different political opinion than his own on a local radio show. This is what the world is coming to. A complete joke.

Should they be stuffed in an airplane overhead compartment?

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Douchebag

Post subject: Re: So Goff and Spiegel aren't gone.

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:34 am

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Spaulding wrote:

Douchebag wrote:

Polecat666 wrote:

Looks like they were demoted.
http://www.robertfeder.com/2018/03/14/score-adds-dan-mcneil-connor-mcknight-new-lineup/

Should they be stuffed in an airplane overhead compartment?

That would be acceptable.

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rogers park bryan

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:35 am

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:

Don Tiny wrote:

Robert Feder update: I just deleted today’s “best comment.” I understand why I should not have highlighted it and I will try to do better next time.

Throwing out accusations like "racist" is just a way to shut up debate and lazily shame an opponent without directly refuting their point.

Sometimes, yes.

Some times, it's an actual racist getting correctly labeled. Kinda like how if a woman lies about rape, that doesn't mean they all lie.

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denisdman

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:36 am

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Hah, funny he deleted it. It was an outlier in anything I had ever seen Feder highlight. I just assumed he didn't like Goff for some reason.

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GoldenJet

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

GoldenJet wrote:

Exactly. Yet, if they want to extend on golf on the weekend mornings, I'm cool with that. It's sort of a tradition anyway...plus I love golf.

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so people that don't like Goff are rapists.

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rogers park bryan

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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:37 am

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denisdman wrote:

Hah, funny he deleted it. It was an outlier in anything I had ever seen Feder highlight. I just assumed he didn't like Goff for some reason.

Pretty dumb to choose one that specifically mentioned FoxNews knowing that's a certain segment.

I guarantee there were comments about less politics that didn't indicate political affiliation. Dumb move by R-FED.

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GoldenJet

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Hatchetman wrote:

so people that don't like Goff are rapists.

Obviously

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I'd say the younger listener is likely to be liberal and chances are good the NBA is his favorite sport.

And if he has a car, he likely has never found the AM band, but is listing to streams and podcasts instead and watching the NBA games on his phone.

I'm not saying that 670 shouldn't try to cater to them a little bit, otherwise if they don't they become SportsGN with a 70-dead demographic talking about the heyday of Johnny Morris and wasn't Bruce Roberts a nice man who died too young. But a proportionate response and allocation of breath is more appropriate.

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

I'm not saying that 670 shouldn't try to cater to them a little bit, otherwise if they don't they become SportsGN with a 70-dead demographic

That's essentially what yesterday's lineup shake-up has done.

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Douchebag wrote:

Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

I'm not saying that 670 shouldn't try to cater to them a little bit, otherwise if they don't they become SportsGN with a 70-dead demographic

That's essentially what yesterday's lineup shake-up has done.

Don't underestimate the 70-dead demographic! They're the lifeblood of Fox News, after all.

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Douchebag wrote:

Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

I'm not saying that 670 shouldn't try to cater to them a little bit, otherwise if they don't they become SportsGN with a 70-dead demographic

That's essentially what yesterday's lineup shake-up has done.

Yes and no. I agree that DeCastro's m.o. as of late appears to be to grow old with the audience and gracefully manage the decline rather than to shake things up and pursue a younger audience. That's probably the right thing to do with AM radio. But he still seems to be hedging that a bit by having millennials in Parkins and McDoink hosting shows. But overall, I think the station is going to get more conservative (in its programming approach, not right-wing) than it got under Mitch, which I don't think was so much a conscious programming direction as it was just letting the talent roam free-range.

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Curious Hair wrote:

Douchebag wrote:

Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

I'm not saying that 670 shouldn't try to cater to them a little bit, otherwise if they don't they become SportsGN with a 70-dead demographic

That's essentially what yesterday's lineup shake-up has done.

Letting the talent roam free was Mitch's biggest mistake. As others have said, Bernstein needed a producer to step in and end the national NBA talk

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