That's not the same. I'm talking about the fusion of identity politics with market economics and analytics as being a very online-NBA issue.

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No, I get where he’s coming from actually . It’s why white jocks have never been able to succeed at WBMX.

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

What.

The Ever-Lovin'.

Fuck.

Was.

That.

Poorly Spaced.

Overwrought.

Horseshit?

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

That's one of the things I'm looking forward to with Mac. He mentioned that after he settles in, he'll "throw a log on the fire" and tell some of the more memorable experiences he had selling cars. I'd rather listen to his non-sports stories (in moderation) than some fantasy football crap.

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Excuse me?

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*HOT MIX 5*

Tim Spinnin' Schommer and Brian Middleton mults can't be far behind. Julian Multin' Perez?

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I am not sure why you guys don't ask Nas anything you need to know about Hood. His source also.

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Elections have consequences.

When you have to constantly alter your criteria to make a poorly defined point- we need more black voices- it's a stupid argument. Norm Van Lier, Jason Goff, Lawrence Holmes, Tommy Williams, Jonathan Hood, Norm Van Lier and Jerry Riles don't count because they were either on at the wrong time of day or did not get enough ratings to continue at your narrowly define time slots of between 6-6. Mind you that there are only 5 local shows on during this time, and some of the slots have been occupied by the original people for 25 years. Dan Jiggetts only sort of counts or something.

Then to compound how empty your point is you say buzzwords like triggered. Fighting "racism" was the clear intent of the original post.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Wish you were here Ruffy. Place is packed.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

I didn't alter any criteria. My very first post says "during the day".

The only thing I missed was Norm Van Lier but I made it clear in my first post that I may have been missing someone as I'm not a radio historian.
I personally didn't even make that argument. Now, I'm not going to say it's a bad thing but it was more about the reality of the situation.
You are just lying now. I'm not dignifying that.
Well, I'm not exactly going to cry if someone thinks you should "fight racism" but my post was more about the reality of how few chances and how short lived those chances have been for black Chicago sports radio hosts. Even if I think the original repost went too far it still is a valid point to bring up.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

WFR, what was the comment about a black person becoming a comedian or President?

Didn't really see your angle there.

There's a lot to be said for the powers of your thoughts and beliefs. Goff was so focused on race that it affected his ability to do an entertaining show to which people would want to listen. He created his own artificial reality, he believed so strongly that whites have it in for blacks that he essentially got what he wanted - a white man firing him - now he can claim that he's right for thinking this way. With Goff's logic, he was right all along and has a pink slip to prove it.

I swear there was a time when Rick made decent points.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Self fulfilling prophecy,

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This idea that racism is holding back black men from Chicago, which is the opening line of the original post. The most famous and successful people from the city in recent history have been black. I am highly suspicious when someone uses race as an example of why certain hosts were not successful on sports talk radio. Who is racist? Sports fans-then why are they watching sports? Station managers? They gave chances to several black men, but it hasn't worked out. While I cannot prove this was not a vast conspiracy, why even put then on the air in the first place if that's the case?

It's lazy echo chamber signaling when you say a black man lost his job. And we all know why, wink, wink.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

What's the lie exactly? This has been your entire debating style in this thread. "You are triggered." "You are lying."

There have been many black voices on Chicago sports radio. I would say that limited time slots and a lack of term limits on hosts is by far the biggest factor in the ill-defined lack of black voices.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Have to figure out a time soon. Support Mecca businesses.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Didn't Joe Cain hosted some overnight weekend shows and completely bombed?

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

Talk about a horrible radio voice.

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Wasn't he the one that literally was begging for callers with a Jeb-like "please call"?

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Have Goff fill in for Les on overnights. He will go crazy with those whacko callers

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

Racial slurs will fly in both directions unironically

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Yes. Ahh, Joe Cain radio was something.

ESPN hasn't had a black male on a Chicago daypart [edited: brain cramp], but Bomani Jones did well enough on the national mothership to get a TV role. [Although John Skipper left and somehow Bomani and Pablo Torre's show is in limbo and nobody wants to admit that the new boss doesn't want it.]

I've said it here many times: Jason Goff thinks he is Bomani Jones, or at least deserves the same results. But,
1. He's not as smart [Jones has a masters and pursued a doctorate for a while from a serious university.]
2. He's not as cultured [Jason talking to Bomani about music would be a wipe-out.]
3. He's not as funny [The first time I heard Bomani he had just been let go in Raleigh and had started a morning show on a Canadian XM station. I almost pissed myself laughing and trying not to kill myself driving over the border crossing at Niagara Falls.]
4. He's not even close to as good as an interviewer.

And 5. he doesn't know anything besides the NBA.


I actually was going to reply to post that.

For all the kvetching, much of it justified, about men of color on Chicago sports radio, think about the TV side, and the legacy of families of color on the local TV landscape:

- Ponce
- Jiggetts
- Jordan (not MJJ, the venerable Robert Jordan of WGN who kicked ass every single weekend)
- now Payton

Respected names in the industry. Karen Jordan has been killing it for years. Lauren Jiggetts is eventually going to be the 9/10pm anchor at Channel 9, once she gets a little more experience and hits her 40s. [I think she's in her mid-30s given when Jiggs was a Bear.]

Now I suspect that the original "LA" quoted would say that these aren't real role models. Jiggs has a Caucasian wife, both Payton kids are married to Caucasians. Because LA is indignant, and at the core he's as racially prejudiced as some stereotypical cop from Beverly.

So what's my fucking long-winded point as a mid-50s white guy from the suburbs who can't possibly understand Jason's anger?

He had lots of potential role models in the industry. He decided to follow absolutely none of their examples. I doubt he ever picked up the phone and called any of them and asked if he could buy them lunch and pick their brains.

And now Jason's off the air. Maybe forever.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

I'll go ahead and post this but it'll piss people off. I don't care right now.

Why doesn't this LA guy speak up for other minority groups?

Has a Mexican or Asian ever got a show on the score or chicago sports radio? Even as a producer? it seems it's just white and black guys. Why doesn't anyone stand up and bitch for those groups?

Ozzie Jr. had one (Sunday nights?) on the Score

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

North had a Chinaman. Does that count for anything?

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

Where's the outrage!?!?

This thread was a very interesting read. LA is Lawrence Atkins by the way.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!