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This thread was a very interesting read. LA is Lawrence Atkins by the way.




Good for him that he found another path when the radio career didn't pan out.

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Yeah, Lawrence The Barber played ball with us at one of the Hoops get togethers at Hiawatha Park. It was Goff, LA, and Matt Weber.

This was quite a read.

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Yeah, Lawrence The Barber played ball with us at one of the Hoops get togethers at Hiawatha Park. It was Goff, LA, and Matt Weber.

This was quite a read.

Isnt Weber like a custodian now?

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Yeah, Lawrence The Barber played ball with us at one of the Hoops get togethers at Hiawatha Park. It was Goff, LA, and Matt Weber.

This was quite a read.

Buncha white guyz opining on lack of diversity in the media!!

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Nas wrote:
This thread was a very interesting read. LA is Lawrence Atkins by the way.




Good for him that he found another path when the radio career didn't pan out.



He should have stayed @ com ed

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I agree with you guys.

This was a great read.

Maybe the best thread in board history. Not joking. You guys had lots of interesting things to say and made me think.

Who was the guy that made the article to spark this? What does he do?


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I agree with you guys.

This was a great read.

Maybe the best thread in board history. Not joking. You guys had lots of interesting things to say and made me think.

Who was the guy that made the article to spark this? What does he do?


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When you have to constantly alter your criteria to make a poorly defined point-
I didn't alter any criteria. My very first post says "during the day".

The only thing I missed was Norm Van Lier but I made it clear in my first post that I may have been missing someone as I'm not a radio historian.
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we need more black voices- it's a stupid argument.
I personally didn't even make that argument. Now, I'm not going to say it's a bad thing but it was more about the reality of the situation.
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Norm Van Lier, Jason Goff, Lawrence Holmes, Tommy Williams, Jonathan Hood, Norm Van Lier and Jerry Riles don't count because they were either on at the wrong time of day or did not get enough ratings to continue at your narrowly define time slots of between 6-6. Mind you that there are only 5 local shows on during this time, and some of the slots have been occupied by the original people for 25 years. Dan Jiggetts only sort of counts or something.
You are just lying now. I'm not dignifying that.
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Then to compound how empty your point is you say buzzwords like triggered. Fighting "racism" was the clear intent of the original post.
Well, I'm not exactly going to cry if someone thinks you should "fight racism" but my post was more about the reality of how few chances and how short lived those chances have been for black Chicago sports radio hosts. Even if I think the original repost went too far it still is a valid point to bring up.



What's the lie exactly? This has been your entire debating style in this thread. "You are triggered." "You are lying."

There have been many black voices on Chicago sports radio. I would say that limited time slots and a lack of term limits on hosts is by far the biggest factor in the ill-defined lack of black voices.

My first post was clear. Besides Van Lier it was complete. It seems like it bothers you and your reaction is quite emotional. I don't believe that's a long list and success is rare. As the original repost said if you are a black man enter Chicago sports radio why would you think you'll succeed when the only one to do it is a former Bear who helped start the station and has been gone for over a decade?

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I guess getting fired in Atlanta and Chicago bumped him up to the rank of General Goff.


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My first post was clear. Besides Van Lier it was complete. It seems like it bothers you and your reaction is quite emotional. I don't believe that's a long list and success is rare. As the original repost said if you are a black man enter Chicago sports radio why would you think you'll succeed when the only one to do it is a former Bear who helped start the station and has been gone for over a decade?


So Holmes hasn't been a success? Hood has made a long career out of being on the radio. And Goff has had multiple chances. Now it's the duty of the audience to listen to a show they don't enjoy so that the host can be successful?

As you have pointed out there was not great competition. Yet, Goff could not beat Waddle and Silvy. Perhaps, it was literally not caring what the audience wanted to hear and proudly boasting about it on the air rather than - oh a black man can't make it because you know. That's how discourse breaks down. Everything has to be viewed through some social justice lens of for us or against us. If you disagree even slightly then you don't have a valid point because you must be evil.

And stop with your condescending bullshit. You can infer the emotion of the writer based. You know that all people who said they weren't listening to Bernstein and Goff secretly were. Turns out they weren't, and it's not the people predicting a change that look stupid.

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It wasn't me who came up with what is the important timeslots and I have no desire to defend that night shifts aren't nearly as important as the day shifts.

It's not about social justice. It's just the reality of just how few the chances are and how all but one ended quickly. You can't argue that so you do the standard responses about SJW.

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This is a business, and you too far gone to see that yet! I told you before, you're not packin' them in like you used to. No one digs your radio show but yourself. Let me give you a piece of advice, junior: your show makes sense to no one... but yourself.

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This is a business, and you too far gone to see that yet! I told you before, you're not packin' them in like you used to. No one digs your radio show but yourself. Let me give you a piece of advice, junior: your show makes sense to no one... but yourself.

And if someone Jason's age can't believe that they can gain from learning from their elders, they're delusional. Do you seriously think that Jason ever picked up the phone and called a Dan Jiggetts or a Robert Jordan or a Phil Ponce or a Jim Rose or even a Michael Wilbon and said "I want to be honest to my beliefs but I want to be more popular too. How did you get longevity?"

Jason still has a bright future if he's willing to understand what his deficiencies are and either fix them or work within them. Sadly, he comes across as thinking that those deficiencies are his greatest strengths.

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Goff thought his echo chamber was reality.

Irony

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Goff thought his echo chamber was reality.

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Goff thought his echo chamber was reality.

Irony


I heard you can get pregnant from echo chambers.

And Tom Chambers.

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Goff thought his echo chamber was reality.

Irony


I heard you can get pregnant from echo chambers.

And Tom Chambers.

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It wasn't me who came up with what is the important timeslots and I have no desire to defend that night shifts aren't nearly as important as the day shifts.

It's not about social justice. It's just the reality of just how few the chances are and how all but one ended quickly. You can't argue that so you do the standard responses about SJW.



Goff said specifically, if you don't like us, don't listen. I turned it off, as did a lot of people. People don't usually get fired when they are winning the ratings battles.


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It wasn't me who came up with what is the important timeslots and I have no desire to defend that night shifts aren't nearly as important as the day shifts.

It's not about social justice. It's just the reality of just how few the chances are and how all but one ended quickly. You can't argue that so you do the standard responses about SJW.



Goff said specifically, if you don't like us, don't listen. I turned it off, as did a lot of people. People don't usually get fired when they are winning the ratings battles.
This isn't just about Goff. Ironically, in terms of time spent as a daytime host, it seems like he is either second or third in total time spent there. No one really seems to know much about Norm Van Lier and his time on the radio so he may have had more time but Goff got 3 years. I don't think Hampton and Holmes got 3 years but I can't say that for certain.

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Van Lier's time on the Score was curtailed by a few incidents that occurred outside of the job. I remember him battling alcohol problems. He also had a run in with someone that made headlines. All of this stuff is ancient history and i'm sure that I'm forgetting some details but I remember this happening.

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Bernstein has to own some of this as well. He may actually be demonstrating that he can't get it done without Terry. When Boers was on his game he drove that show. I think that is what has come out of all of this. It seems that there are people on here that are enamored with Bernstein but he doesn't do it for me either. He is devoid of personality and he isn't interesting enough to be a non-sports sports guy. He doesn't pull that off too well. He doesn't seem like the type of guy that has had enough in the way of life experience to make his life seem interesting.

Bernstein is best when he's not being serious about sports. The clearinghouse of airchecks on YouTube proves it. But he's come to believe that sports are a very serious battlefield for social issues and that data-driven management of teams is also of utmost importance. (You can find both of these tendencies in modern online NBA fans.) But then when he descends into identity politics and stat crap, you have to ask: how is a rich guy with an English major an authority on either of these things, anyway? Shouldn't have to come up. Just be entertaining.


I have no doubt bernstein thinks that the problem is that the fan just isn't smart enough for the kind of radio he and Jason were doing. It's a really arrogant viewpoint. Much like Hillary Clinton. If people don't like me there's something wrong with them. They're racists, idiots, whatever, because if they weren't they'd love me.

There are plenty of people as intelligent and as educated as dan bernstein who simply don't want their sports shows to be social justice lectures. He can tell himself it's because he's smarter than everyone else if it makes him feel better, but he's wrong and he's out of drive time.

And I quoted CH above because the last part of his post is particularly relevant. "Expertise" is highly valued among modern liberals. I believe the current focus on "expertise" is probably because of some of the people the president has surrounded himself with. I don't want to get political here, but it's really just a philosophical difference. Trump likes what he considers "common sense". The professional managerial neoliberals value wonkiness above all else. Again, forget the politics and your own opinion, that isn't my point. As CH asks, what is bernstein's expertise on these subjects? He acts as if he's above everyone else, but he's really just another motherfucker bloviating like Rush Limbaugh.

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It wasn't me who came up with what is the important timeslots and I have no desire to defend that night shifts aren't nearly as important as the day shifts.

It's not about social justice. It's just the reality of just how few the chances are and how all but one ended quickly. You can't argue that so you do the standard responses about SJW.



Goff said specifically, if you don't like us, don't listen. I turned it off, as did a lot of people. People don't usually get fired when they are winning the ratings battles.
This isn't just about Goff. Ironically, in terms of time spent as a daytime host, it seems like he is either second or third in total time spent there. No one really seems to know much about Norm Van Lier and his time on the radio so he may have had more time but Goff got 3 years. I don't think Hampton and Holmes got 3 years but I can't say that for certain.



Hampton could not talk. Have you listened to Leery's show? Like half his show is replaying other people's shows.


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LA is most likely the producer who came out to Hoops 2. His nickname was Helicopter, but I can't remember his actual name. Somebody will. He came with Goff and Webby.

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LA is most likely the producer who came out to Hoops 2. His nickname was Helicopter, but I can't remember his actual name. Somebody will. He came with Goff and Webby.


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CoF has spmack on ignore.

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CoF has spmack on ignore.

Very SAD.


And Nas.

Sensing a pattern from Fool.

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CoF has the same issue as Beardown. He wants anything like that to be about him

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