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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:44 am 
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Frank, let's do an experiment. Take a flight from Houston to NY in the cargo hold. On the way back stuff yourself in the overhead bin. Report back with which location is more ideal.

I'll give you $52 to try it out.
Or we can do an experiment where you stop being such a shithead on the message board. I doubt we will ever see those results though.

Stop coming at me like I'm some heartless animal hater that celebrates a completely preventable death of an innocent animal. This dog is dead because of a thoughtless owner that insisted on bringing their dog on a weekend trip to Manhattan because they were too inconsiderate to transport it in the cargo hold, board it at home, or have a friend/relative watch over it for a few days. This entire situation was completely preventable. The careless actions of an United flight attendant is like problem number 127 in this whole ordeal. If someone should have come back dead on this flight, it should have been the dog owner. At least at that point you would have been doing the dog a favor for the rest of its life.

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You're correct in the sense that the dog's death was preventable. You are 100% wrong in stating that "This dog is dead because of a thoughtless owner that insisted on bringing their dog on a weekend trip to Manhattan because they were too inconsiderate to transport it in the cargo hold, board it at home, or have a friend/relative watch over it for a few days."

The dog was on the plane, so everything you wrote does not matter at all. Obviously this passenger cleared security and boarded the plane with the dog no problems. The story seems to paint the picture that the dog was put into the overhead bin during the flight. This was done by an United employee, not by the dog owner as you erroneously stated.

You started a Shoutout to the airline for stuffing a live animal into an overhead compartment of an airplane. Shoutouts here are typically sarcastic or celebratory, and this thread absolutely appears to be the latter.

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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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The problem is that once again some asshole is treating the airplane like it's their private living room. First it was wearing of pajamas or walking around barefoot. Now everyone is insisting on bringing their dog, cat, or hamster on the plane, and every other person that this animal disturbs on a cross-country flight can go fuck themselves. This animal was obviously being a nuisance to everyone around it, and shouldn't have been on the plane in the first place. It's not a service animal. The owner should know this, and their dog is dead because they wanted the cabin to be "just like home". The United flight attendant was just trying to make the best of a bad situation for everyone else on the plane.

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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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i mean, a kitten i get...but a puppy? you guys are the worst.

This dog's death is on the incompetent owner who insisted on bringing it in the cabin rather than boarding it or checking it into the cargo hold. I have zero sympathy for them. It sucks that the dog died, but maybe the owner should have thought first before shoving it into a overhead bin.


I don't always agree with DB, but this is spot on.

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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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The problem is that once again some asshole is treating the airplane like it's their private living room. First it was wearing of pajamas or walking around barefoot. Not everyone is insisting on bringing their dog, cat, or hamster on the plane, and every other person that this animal disturbs on a cross-country flight can go fuck themselves. This animal was obviously being a nuisance to everyone around it, and shouldn't have been on the plane in the first place. It's not a service animal. The owner should know this, and their dog is dead because they wanted the cabin to be "just like home". The United flight attendant was just trying to make the best of a bad situation for everyone else on the plane.



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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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Frank, let's do an experiment. Take a flight from Houston to NY in the cargo hold. On the way back stuff yourself in the overhead bin. Report back with which location is more ideal.

I'll give you $52 to try it out.


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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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Douchebag wrote:
The problem is that once again some asshole is treating the airplane like it's their private living room. First it was wearing of pajamas or walking around barefoot.
Not relevant to this story at all. This is a completely different conversation. Also, if the airlines treated people the same way they did back in the 1970s and 80s, passengers would likely act better.

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This animal was obviously being a nuisance to everyone around it, and shouldn't have been on the plane in the first place.
You don't know that, unless you were actually on this flight. I wasn't on the flight, and the article you linked does not mention what the dog was doing. The dog might have been sleeping and quiet the entire time for all we know.

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The owner should know this, and their dog is dead because they wanted the cabin to be "just like home". The United flight attendant was just trying to make the best of a bad situation for everyone else on the plane.
You're assuming an awful lot here. As I said, the person already boarded the plane so they got past ticket agents, TSA, and gate agents. How do you know she didn't call the airline and ask what she needed to do in order to have her dog in the cabin?

I'm not saying that these dogs and pigs and peacocks should be seated in the first class cabin, but if you don't agree that giving a shoutout to an airline employee for stuffing an live animal into the overhead compartment of an airplane is heartless, then Doug is right when he said that some people here are the absolute worst.

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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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The dog could have just as easily perished in the cargo hold.

Wrong.
Oh, so you're a vet then. I didn't know that. Regardless, you read the story wrong in the first place, as it was not the owner who put the dog in the overhead bin.

I'm not saying these dogs should have their own seats in the first class cabin, but as I correctly stated there are MANY stupid and heartless thoughts posted in this thread.

Airliners have a specific cargo hold that is designed with pets in mind.

While all cargo holds are pressurized, all airliners have at least one (usually the aft cargo hold) which is also heated to 65 degrees for this purpose.

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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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This entire fucking trend of people bringing "emotional support animals" on planes is bullshit. The only animals that should be in the main passenger cabin are certified and trained service animals. People have really started abusing this in recent years. I used to never see a dog on flights, but now I'm seeing 2 or 3 per flight from people who are flat out abusing the system.

If your dog is not a service animal, then check the fucking dog into the climate controlled cargo hold, drive, or board the dog.

If you can't do this, then fuck you.

I say this as a dog person, but I know better than to subject my dog to a flight. If I go on vacation, we board the dog.

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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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I switched from UAL to AA many years ago. I have status with AA, so I fly a fair amount. Maybe to folks that don't fly often, all the large carriers seem the same. But I can honestly say that American is a much better airline, especially now that their fleet has been significantly upgraded. Among my co-workers, AA is not universally loved, but I would say the vast majority agree. For folks flying out of ORD, those are your only two legit choices for regular travel.

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I agree with Frank.

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This entire fucking trend of people bringing "emotional support animals" on planes is bullshit. The only animals that should be in the main passenger cabin are certified and trained service animals.

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This entire fucking trend of people bringing "emotional support animals" on planes is bullshit. The only animals that should be in the main passenger cabin are certified and trained service animals. People have really started abusing this in recent years. I used to never see a dog on flights, but now I'm seeing 2 or 3 per flight from people who are flat out abusing the system.

If your dog is not a service animal, then check the fucking dog into the climate controlled cargo hold, drive, or board the dog.

If you can't do this, then fuck you.

I say this as a dog person, but I know better than to subject my dog to a flight. If I go on vacation, we board the dog.
I don't necessarily disagree with any of this.

In this thread though, the dog was already on the plane and I am assuming the flight was in progress as there was no mention of anything being said to this person before they boarded/took off. So given that, the best thing to do is NOT to shove the dog into a dark and cramped overhead bin.

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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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I switched from UAL to AA many years ago. I have status with AA, so I fly a fair amount. Maybe to folks that don't fly often, all the large carriers seem the same. But I can honestly say that American is a much better airline, especially now that their fleet has been significantly upgraded. Among my co-workers, AA is not universally loved, but I would say the vast majority agree. For folks flying out of ORD, those are your only two legit choices for regular travel.

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JetBlue. Not enough options though.
Delta.
American.
A big gap between these and the next one.
Southwest.
An even bigger gap.
Every other airline.

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I would never try to take a dog on a plane, but if hypothetical Sneakers did,and I was following the rules with the TSA approved carrier or whatever, how exactly am I being forced to put my dog in an overhead bin? That request would be met with a polite "not gonna happen" repeated as many times as necessary. Are they threatening me with airport jail or something? Maybe I missed part of the story, but I'm struggling to see how they forced compliance on this. Sure, the rest of the passengers might think I'm an asshole, but I'm already an asshole for bringing my dog on board, so I'd just assume be an asshole with the un-overhead-binned dog who likely lives through the flight.


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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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I would never try to take a dog on a plane, but if hypothetical Sneakers did,and I was following the rules with the TSA approved carrier or whatever, how exactly am I being forced to put my dog in an overhead bin? That request would be met with a polite "not gonna happen" repeated as many times as necessary. Are they threatening me with airport jail or something? Maybe I missed part of the story, but I'm struggling to see how they forced compliance on this. Sure, the rest of the passengers might think I'm an asshole, but I'm already an asshole for bringing my dog on board, so I'd just assume be an asshole with the un-overhead-binned dog who likely lives through the flight.


Dogs are property in the eyes of the law, not people. Property either goes in the overhead or under the seat in front of you. Service animals are a different story. But all other dogs are property.

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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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Dogs are property in the eyes of the law, not people. Property either goes in the overhead or under the seat in front of you. Service animals are a different story. But all other dogs are property.


But United themselves said pets should never go in the overhead bins. United is at fault for having stupid "take your pet on the plane" rules in the first place (that it sounds like this lady followed) and they are also at fault for killing this passengers pet by stuffing it in the overhead bin. I too am a bit surprised the passenger allowed some flight attendant to do that when she was seemingly within the rules the airline had in place. They are the ones that let her on the plane with the animal. i wonder how long the dog was in the overhead bin? The whole flight?

edit: i just found an article that seems to indicate the dog was up there before takeoff until after the flight - 3.5 hours. That's fucked up.


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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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Sneakers O'Toole wrote:
I would never try to take a dog on a plane, but if hypothetical Sneakers did,and I was following the rules with the TSA approved carrier or whatever, how exactly am I being forced to put my dog in an overhead bin? That request would be met with a polite "not gonna happen" repeated as many times as necessary. Are they threatening me with airport jail or something? Maybe I missed part of the story, but I'm struggling to see how they forced compliance on this. Sure, the rest of the passengers might think I'm an asshole, but I'm already an asshole for bringing my dog on board, so I'd just assume be an asshole with the un-overhead-binned dog who likely lives through the flight.


Dogs are property in the eyes of the law, not people. Property either goes in the overhead or under the seat in front of you. Service animals are a different story. But all other dogs are property.


That's not really my point at all. United has rules, and it sounds like they were followed. If the attendant says "Sneakers, I'm going to need you to put your little kennel in the overhead compartment", I am going to say, no, I am not going to do that. Now what? Again, in real life, I'm not taking my dog on the plane in the first place. Still, I don't see any scenario where if I did, I say okay cool no problem and comply. If it's before take-off, I'd be fine with getting off the plane if that's what it came down to, and if it's in flight, pretty sure we're all just going to deal with my little crate in front of me and then we can deal with the consequences when we land.


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 Post subject: Re: United Airlines
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Score another win for the pets don't belong in airplane cabin group.
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Again, your only option is to lie about your pet being a service animal or the airlines will kill them. It is a bizarre customer service quirk of American carriers to want to murder your pet. I don't fully understand why.
Score another win for America.


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The owner of a dog mistakenly flown to Japan will “most likely” pursue legal action against United Airlines, she said today on ABC News’ “Good Morning America”

“Most likely, yes, we will,” Kansas resident Kara Swindle said when asked whether she will bring a case against United, which misrouted her dog, Irgo, on a 16-hour ordeal to Japan.

“I don’t want this to ever happen again,” she said. “I want to make sure that they actually do something to stop all of this and make sure that no one has to go through this.”

Swindle and her family were reunited Thursday with Irgo, a 10-year-old German shepherd.

"He seems to be doing OK," Swindle said. "He’s a little restless but, hopefully, once we get him back home he can finally start to relax a little."

Swindle and her family moved recently to Kansas. They were supposed to collect Irgo at a cargo facility in Kansas City, Missouri, Tuesday afternoon.

"An error occurred during connections in Denver for two pets sent to the wrong destinations," the statement read. "We apologize for this mistake and are following up with the vendor kennel where they were kept overnight to understand what happened."
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Frank can't be bothered by an Amber Alert for kidnapped kids, but loses his mind when a dog gets flown to Japan?


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He should consider himself lucky he wasn't sent to China. You might as well just ring the dinner bell.

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He should consider himself lucky he wasn't sent to China. You might as well just ring the dinner bell.


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I got a kick out of these stats from 2017:

Of the 506,994 animals transported by airlines in 2017, United handled 138,178 of them. There were 24 deaths overall, 18 by United. There were 15 total injuries, 13 by United. And there was one "loss," by Alaska Airlines.

2018 is not starting out well for United either.

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i mean, a kitten i get...but a puppy? you guys are the worst.

This dog's death is on the incompetent owner who insisted on bringing it in the cabin rather than boarding it or checking it into the cargo hold. I have zero sympathy for them. It sucks that the dog died, but maybe the owner should have thought first before shoving it into a overhead bin.


I don't always agree with DB, but this is spot on.


Agreed.

And I also try NOT to fly United.

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Back in the day I heard horror stories about dogs in cargo holds. Like the plastic carrier being melted over the dog. or dog frozen solid. that kind of thing.

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Back in the day I heard horror stories about dogs in cargo holds. Like the plastic carrier being melted over the dog. or dog frozen solid. that kind of thing.


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the first dog breeder we bought from absolutely wouldn't sell to someone that would put the dog on a plane. not that that means anything.

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IMO, if you are ok with putting the dog on a plane (in cargo) to begin with, you really didn't give a fuck about it to begin with.


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Why can't we just agree that animals don't belong in the passenger sections of airplanes? Problem solved.

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Why can't we just agree that animals don't belong in the passenger sections of airplanes? Problem solved.


They really don't belong on airplanes period(outside of service animals). If you are moving, then sorry, drive em.


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