I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

The question is did the Bulls tank to draft Jordan vs did the Bulls tank to get a higher position. You asserted the former and then argued the latter. Thanks for confirming that you are both confused and wrong.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

So you admit to being the rather convenient "ambivalent" about tanking? Damned if you do damned if you don't is how i see it.

As far as inconsistent rotations go what are you talking about? The main reason that the Bulls were 3-20 was because guys (Mirotic, Dunn, Lavine, Nwaba) were injured and Portis was suspended. It had nothing to do with coaching and everything to do with talent. Again your position will always be that of anti management so why bother.

If anything this season has served as validation of a few things

1. The decision to whack Thibs was the right one. Guys like Barkley, Jet Smith, Pierce, and Jalen Rose have all questioned the coaching of Thibs.

2. Hoiberg can coach. Maybe not championship level but he is far from the worse coach in the league. Guys are developing under him and the Bulls rebounded after a disastrous start.

3. GarPax got the better of the Butler trade. Very few if any on here believed it at the time of the trade. Obvious now.

4. They fucked this tank job up.

Your diatribes about the alleged ineptitude of management are also off base.

This is the same team that I.D.d guys like Deng, Noah, Rose , Butler, and now Markannen.

Interesting how you gloss over all of this when providing critiques. I don't remember you touting the ability of Markannen either.

This same team that you bash for being inept plucked arguably the best player from last years draft. If not then no lower than 3rd.

They also drafted Portis with the 22nd pick. Do you care to go over a list of the guys drafted ahead of him? Something tells me you don't.

When you talk about "who leads" then that sort of thing can't be discounted. They have repeatedly demonstrated that they can draft. I'm not a Gar fan either.

Noah Vonleh also looks like a solid piece also.

ltg, I'd be happy to relitigate all of GarPax's failures prior to this season, but it seems rather pointless since you actually agreed with me that they shouldn't be in charge of any tanking effort this season. I don't see how you now ranting about their failure to lose rather than their failure to win for once is supposed to be some dramatic vindication of the pro-tank argument, rather than the anti-GarPax one.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

I’m an anti-Paxxer.

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Is it the same as an Anti Vaxxer?

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

Ltg’s acting pretty fuckin ignorant in this thread for someone who likes to throw that word at others for simply disagreeing with him.

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No I throw the term around when people typically refer to relevant points as "dumb" while being unaware of that of which they speak. When you state that tanking doesn't work you're being ignorant of Bulls history. It is that simple. When you state that it doesn't work you are being ignorant of NBA history. If tanking was so ineffective then why are multiple GMs employing it currently? Why have they changed the rules multiple times in an effort to stop it?


As far as being ignorant goes you displayed ignorance when you stated that teams don't "tank" mid season. Do you remember that one? You stated that tanking begins at the start of the season. This was the rationale you originally used in order to state that the Bulls didn't tank in order to draft Jordan. You were ignorant about that also.

As usual this entire post is wrong. And dumb.

Also, for someone who gets overly sensitive when called a bitch, you sure do talk a lot of shit.

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You have repeatedly made the argument that tanking doesn't work yet I have provided irrefutable evidence as to how tanking changed the trajectory of the Bulls franchise.

No you didn't. Your problem is you think being a terrible team and tanking are the same thing. The Nets suck this year. They aren't tanking though. Tanking is purposely not putting your best lineup out there when healthy. The Bulls never did that the year before they drafted Jordan. Trading a veteran isnt the same thing as tanking. Not sure how many more time I will have to explain this to you.


But yes, you can definitely find individual cases of tanking that have worked in NBA history. Your problem is that for every successful case you find I can find 10 unsuccessful ones and I can also find a lot more championship teams that did not come from tanking.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

No you didn't. Your problem is you think being a terrible team and tanking are the same thing. The Nets suck this year. They aren't tanking though. Tanking is purposely not putting your best lineup out there when healthy. The Bulls never did that the year before they drafted Jordan. Trading a veteran isnt the same thing as tanking. Not sure how many more time I will have to explain this to you.


But yes, you can definitely find individual cases of tanking that have worked in NBA history. Your problem is that for every successful case you find I can find 10 unsuccessful ones and I can also find a lot more championship teams that did not come from tanking.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

No you didn't. Your problem is you think being a terrible team and tanking are the same thing. The Nets suck this year. They aren't tanking though. Tanking is purposely not putting your best lineup out there when healthy. The Bulls never did that the year before they drafted Jordan. Trading a veteran isnt the same thing as tanking. Not sure how many more time I will have to explain this to you.


But yes, you can definitely find individual cases of tanking that have worked in NBA history. Your problem is that for every successful case you find I can find 10 unsuccessful ones and I can also find a lot more championship teams that did not come from tanking.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

:lol:

You automatically lose when you need to respond to the same post multiple times.

Good game.

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