A few things here:

1. The Fall 2017 books are really all we have that even approaches what management gets from Nielsen, and they were a bloodbath. Being #1 6 months ago doesn't shield against much when you are actively driving listeners to the competition. For all we know, B&G were still propped up heavily by the Cubs for that period, and the books from December through February could be even worse, and it is highly unlikely, even unimaginable, that they were better than the Fall ratings. Pissing away a ratings lead and falling behind by 2 whole points while telling critics to go listen to the competition gets you fired pretty quickly, and that is something that hasn't been put at the feet of Spiegel in his entire run as a host at the station.

2. Goff was the recipient of a tremendous push by Mitch, I think that is obvious. Why Mitch was pushing Goff like Roman Reigns is anyone's guess (I think it is related to the station's turn politically), but it appeared that Goff's success in middays was given more weight than Spiegel's.




Because I've shown him to be a ratings success for the last 4-5 years? Because he doesn't openly antagonize the listeners and routinely imply his critics (or critics of certrain other things/people) are racist? Because he doesn't boast about the kind of car he drives or his endorsement deals or contract terms in the face of criticism of his show? Pick one, they all work.

More excuses...

Also Spiegel has done plenty of terrible things on the radio. Antagonistic with Parkins. Berating interns. Calling in sick for work because his other job made his throat hurt.

I guess he deserves another shot though because he wasn't promoted and was replaced by Connor McKnight.

I understand the reasons for launching Goff. Spiegel should be launched too. That's my point. Why give him a 5th partner?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

So are you saying Spiegel was given preferential treatment because he's white?

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Not so far.

If Goff doesn't get another shot but Spiegel does then it is certainly plausible.

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Parkins said a week ago thet him n meatpants were " killin it" in ratings. Bernstein n Goff were hemoraging listeners. Polar opposites.

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That's ridiculous.

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I'm having trouble understanding how you're defining "another shot" here. Do you just mean any time a host is kept around after his on-air partner moves on, or a host that gets a daypart after a previous daypart effort has failed?

If you mean the former, that designation gets pretty disingenuous when one co-host is promoted after mutual ratings success, as was the case with Spiegel for Goff AND Parkins.



I'm not going over Spiegel's ratings successes with you again. Spiegel has much more ratings success under his belt in this town than does Goff, and Goff's failure in afternoons was a deeper cut to the station because of where it occurred in the lineup, and perhaps in how he went about alienating listeners.

When virtue signalling goes wrong...

Jason would still be employed had he chosen to be himself. He chose to be Bernstein.

Bad look, bad listen and bad choice.

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Yep, turns out the worst thing to happen to Jason was to get teamed with Bernsie.

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And then you tell your listeners to turn you off and you are somehow a victim of racism when they take you up on your personal suggestion.

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Indeed.

Also, a lot of people think Spiegel got screwed too. Does that mean they're also anti-Semitic?

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It's not currently fashionable to defend Jews.

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As I said, all of his other shows were number 1 (save maybe one) right? Like you I'm not a Score historian so I can't remember.

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I don’t know why all this fuss is being made anyway. Playa’ himself has said a few times already that everything’s fine, he’ll be fine . He probably has like 15 other job offers by now in addition to the current gig at 670, being the talented host and ratings magnet that he is

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

DeCastro could have created a show for Matt/Goff and put it up against Carm/Jurko with the rest of the Score line-up matching up with ESPN. With everyone still under contract, it seems that could have been a strong option. I wonder if it was considered.

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It's odd, because the station has taken on more immediate salary after a sharp ratings decline in prime time, and that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. McDoink is cheap, and Mac probably came back with a little bit of a discount, but there still wasn't any salary shed in the shakeup, unless Goff and Spiegel have contract terms incredibly favorable to the station which allow for a salary figure commensurate with on-air role, OR they plan on firing Goff outright (for cause?) at some later date.

In response to a mass exodus of listeners and the afternoon drive show needing to go commercial free for an hour, the talent expense just got more expensive, not less.

B&G were number 1 in their timeslot 6 months ago. Spiegel and Goff were number 1 in their timeslot.

So Goff has a bad winter and he's done but Spiegel deserves a 5th show?

I think we will learn that Score middays are an easy time slot to look decent given the competition.

Where was all this Spiegel love before? It's just funny that he's suddenly a victim but Goff got what he deserved.

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Wild card: they expect Bernstein to look for a new job and request a release

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Abbatacola or Speigs?

I'm not arguing that B&G deserved to stay. I'm just wondering why Spiegel was a victim but Goff wasn't. Everyone said Parkins was the star of middays even overcoming Spiegels bad attitude and spotty attendance. Suddenly though he was wronged but Goff got what he deserved.

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Calling a host pissing away a ratings lead to the point of being 2 points back of the competition in afternoon drive, necessitating a commercial free hour to cover up for lack of sponsors and attempt to regain listeners is understating the magnitude of the issue, I would say.

What's more, Goff MADE his Winter the way it was in concert with Bernstein. Neither of them can, say, point to a co-host with the personality of an eggplant being foisted upon them by panicky management in the wake of a very public divorce with a successful and popular talent.

Also, Spiegel hasn't had an atrocious Winter like Goff did. He's had four years of increasing success in the key demo ratings.

Doubtful, he is comfortable. He had to lead the B&B show when terry started phoning it in. Took a back seat with Goff, and I suspect he will once McKnight is comfortable. I think Danny wants to make $300k and not lead a show. And this is probably better. Gets home to make dinner, takes a pic of the dinner, and has jerk off material the rest of the night about what he cooked.

I agree Rick, Goff should be given at least 2 more chances to tell listeners to kiss his ass and listen to something else . Sponsors dream right there . You really are fucking dense.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Yeah that's what I kept coming back to, as well. They're setting the table for a post-Bernstein world. Stick him in middays and hope he quits like you said, or low-ball him on salary at the negotiating table next time he's up for a new deal, which can't be that far away. The parole Spiegel from Radio Jail and pair him with a hopefully-blossoming McDoink, or let him choose his partner for, again, being a good soldier.

This is said with the absolute authority of ignorance, but 300K for a midday show seems kind of steep.

I was listening to the Bulldog Bob bit last night (I COULD HAVE HAD DONUTS!) and Dan was making fun of mid-market sports radio. He said something like "and now it's time for Broadcaster Guy and some offensive lineman you've never heard of who has CTE!" I thought it was funny that two years later, the Score's midday show would be Matt Spiegel and Patrick Mannelly. Then another two years later, the Score's midday show would have the guy who did afternoons at Bulldog Bob's mid-market station.

Incidentally, talking shit about radio shows in smaller markets was always a good bit when B&B did it (The Sports Pirate!) and they should have done it more. Of course, that was an old Steve & Garry bit, which I think became a Stern bit because he stole everything from Dahl, and then Opie & Anthony stole it from Stern.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

I've heard Bernstein at times show both contempt and appreciation for the Small/Mid-Market Path To Radio Stardom, and I often wondered why he would rip on it so much, especially because he did it with his broadcasting/reporting career in Rockford. Then I realized that he's never hosted with someone who has taken that path. Terry was never not in Chicago radio, Goff went to another top-10 market city before coming back, and McDoink won a rigged contest in Chicago.

Middays are definitely easier and less stress. If Bernstein and Goff were on then I don't think they break up the show. But they were in the prime spot and had a catastrophic 6 months.

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The commercial free hour is telling, because it means Score salespersons couldn’t get customers to fill the time, likely at discounted price. One side is probably directly proportional to the ratings.

The other side is associating your brand with an SJW show. Many companies won’t sponsor political shows—this happens to Rush frequently. Perhaps some companies didn’t want to be associated with their liberal vitriol. Personally, I will not buy Bernstein’s wine nor use Amy Kite as a realator. Fair or not, I associate them with the hosts and their views. And in the wine case, that is easily tracked by the offer code that links the ad to the host.