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Goff can correct the record but I do not recall him hitting that kind of dip professionally.
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Correct . I don’t ever remember Goff hitting Lil Danny

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He got drunk and wanted to beat up Rick. You’re probably weird if this hasn’t happened to you.


Actually, you're weird if you need alcohol to stoke your violent disdain for Bifurcating BRick.

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I got really drunk a couple of times this weekend and didn't think of Rick. Maybe Guinness doesn't conjure Rick thoughts.

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Well either way I shouldn’t let things get out of hand like that.



The drinking?


No that was pretty much planned as a pub crawl day with friends. I shouldn’t have logged on at all really but just because I got aggravated I shouldn’t have spouted off a bunch of nonsense.


Did anyone in your group spill a drink on the bar floor and then try to drink it with a straw? For the record, it wasn't me that did that.


Damn Leash.

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Is this Goff's first serious bout with professional adversity? He may have been lulled into thinking a media career is a straight slope upward. His advancement has been pretty impressive given his original qualifications. For a college dropout he found employment at his favorite childhood radio station, progressed from producer to executive producer and was able to dabble as a Bulls reporter and fill-in host. His stint in Atlanta appeared to be a minor league grooming stint to prepare him as Terry's replacement. The long-snapper's abrupt resignation conveniently brought him back earlier than expected.

I recall Grimace recounting a story of him working as one of those corner sign holders for a furniture store in LA when Sporting News Radio folded. And, of course, you had Mac selling cars while he was benched. Goff can correct the record but I do not recall him hitting that kind of dip professionally.

Goff was groomed by Boers and Bernstein who had been sheltered and catered to by a bumbling PD. Seems like Goff only paid attention to the "eff you" mentality Bernstein publicly personified and was rewarded time and time again for. But Goff forgot to pay attention to Bernstein's sniveling ass licking behind the scenes to ensure his survival at all costs.


He got fired from his evening show in Atlanta, and at some point moved back to Chicago before (or while) hosting an NBA show on Sirius. So yes, you're right, he has never known traditional professional adversity, every fall of his has been up a few steps.


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Jason is mad that a Loyola crowd booed Hannibal Burress off stage over the weekend: https://uproxx.com/viral/hannibal-bures ... c-priests/

From the guy who applauded people shouting down speakers he didn't agree with, and tried to provide hints to a student protester on how to push the Michigan State administration to fire Tom Izzo it's an interesting perspective.

Or perhaps, he's learning now that he's away from the Bernstein echo chamber that these tactics can be used against people he agrees with too.

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Jason is mad that a Loyola crowd booed Hannibal Burress off stage over the weekend: https://uproxx.com/viral/hannibal-bures ... c-priests/

Did you even read that article? He wasn't booed off stage.

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Jason is mad that a Loyola crowd booed Hannibal Burress off stage over the weekend: https://uproxx.com/viral/hannibal-bures ... c-priests/

Did you even read that article? He wasn't booed off stage.


Honestly just skimmed it, and read the social media comments. So, yes, you are right he's learned nothing and doesn't see the irony.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Jason is mad that a Loyola crowd booed Hannibal Burress off stage over the weekend: https://uproxx.com/viral/hannibal-bures ... c-priests/

Did you even read that article? He wasn't booed off stage.


Honestly just skimmed it, and read the social media comments. So, yes, you are right he's learned nothing and doesn't see the irony.


Watch the five second video. Unhappy campers.

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Not saying that Goff isn't responsible for his dismissal but how do you expect him to react? He has a young child that may have medical issues and once this contract runs out (in 18 months or less) it is unlikely that he will ever be able to make this type of money in radio ever again. What other experience does he have? How differently would some of you all react? I've seen folks react far worse in the past couple of days because Rick disagreed with them.

Spiegel was screwed IMO but he just signed a new deal that is probably good for 3 years. That gives him a little bit of security. That likely changes the way he would react.



Spiegel was screwed so to speak.

But one of my guys tells me that there were more than one or two requests made to B&G over the last three months to change the tone of the show, and those requests were repeatedly rebuffed. I don't believe that either one ever thought that they would be moved out of that slot.

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But one of my guys tells me that there were more than one or two requests made to B&G over the last three months to change the tone of the show, and those requests were repeatedly rebuffed. I don't believe that either one ever thought that they would be moved out of that slot.


This might a big scoop you have here. I've asked why Mitch wouldn't do anything to save Jason's ass, considering his ascension from producer to afternoons was Mitch's project. Maybe he tried and failed. Wow.

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But one of my guys tells me that there were more than one or two requests made to B&G over the last three months to change the tone of the show, and those requests were repeatedly rebuffed. I don't believe that either one ever thought that they would be moved out of that slot.


This might a big scoop you have here. I've asked why Mitch wouldn't do anything to save Jason's ass, considering his ascension from producer to afternoons was Mitch's project. Maybe he tried and failed. Wow.



Yes.

I don't know Mitch personally, but from what I have been told, he is a good guy. And very loyal to his people as well.

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Not saying that Goff isn't responsible for his dismissal but how do you expect him to react? He has a young child that may have medical issues and once this contract runs out (in 18 months or less) it is unlikely that he will ever be able to make this type of money in radio ever again. What other experience does he have? How differently would some of you all react? I've seen folks react far worse in the past couple of days because Rick disagreed with them.

Spiegel was screwed IMO but he just signed a new deal that is probably good for 3 years. That gives him a little bit of security. That likely changes the way he would react.



Spiegel was screwed so to speak.

But one of my guys tells me that there were more than one or two requests made to B&G over the last three months to change the tone of the show, and those requests were repeatedly rebuffed. I don't believe that either one ever thought that they would be moved out of that slot.


That's some supreme arrogance on display. Bernstein is incredibly lucky to have a job. Were they told to stop with politics in general, the tone of we are superior to listeners, or both?

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Sounds like Mitch was loyal to a fault, permissive to a fault. I suddenly feel compelled to thank Rod Zimmerman, but he's not here.

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Sounds like Mitch was loyal to a fault, permissive to a fault. I suddenly feel compelled to thank Rod Zimmerman, but he's not here.


So if I'm reading this right, the thinking is that Mitch went to B&G begging them to change their approach, knowing the sword of Damocles was hanging by a single XLR cable above the studio, but was told by both to piss off, and subsequently DeCastro came in and made the changes?

I would have thought DeCastro would be the one giving B&G a chance to change their approach before shutting them down.


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Sounds like Mitch was loyal to a fault, permissive to a fault. I suddenly feel compelled to thank Rod Zimmerman, but he's not here.


Mitch isn't allowed to do much without input from above. And he was a Danny Mac guy, before he was a Goff guy.

DeCastro has always been a hands on guy.

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So if I'm reading this right, the thinking is that Mitch went to B&G begging them to change their approach, knowing the sword of Damocles was hanging by a single XLR cable above the studio, but was told by both to piss off, and subsequently DeCastro came in and made the changes?

I would have thought DeCastro would be the one giving B&G a chance to change their approach before shutting them down.

I don't know, Seacrest didn't specify whether Mitch or DeCastro requested that Dan and Jason recalibrate their show. The Deacon's been here since November, but maybe he was keeping programming decisions to himself. I have to believe Mitch knew there were problems with the show and that he had to play good cop before the bad cop came in. I also believe that Dan and Jason -- especially Jason -- didn't take Mitch seriously and didn't want to change the way they were doing the show.

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So if I'm reading this right, the thinking is that Mitch went to B&G begging them to change their approach, knowing the sword of Damocles was hanging by a single XLR cable above the studio, but was told by both to piss off, and subsequently DeCastro came in and made the changes?

I would have thought DeCastro would be the one giving B&G a chance to change their approach before shutting them down.

I don't know, Seacrest didn't specify whether Mitch or DeCastro requested that Dan and Jason recalibrate their show. The Deacon's been here since November, but maybe he was keeping programming decisions to himself. I have to believe Mitch knew there were problems with the show and that he had to play good cop before the bad cop came in. I also believe that Dan and Jason -- especially Jason -- didn't take Mitch seriously and didn't want to change the way they were doing the show.



From a journalistic integrity perspective, I could understand how folks like B&G wouldn't take kindly to being told what to avoid talking about on air. But I have to wonder, is it worth doing the show you want at the expense of ratings instead of doing the show the collective audience wants to be a more popular program? And at the end of the day, these aren't columnists for the NY Times or an NPR All Things Considered reporter. They are a couple of radio goofs looking to provide entertainment to us meatballs.

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I don't know, Seacrest didn't specify whether Mitch or DeCastro requested that Dan and Jason recalibrate their show. The Deacon's been here since November, but maybe he was keeping programming decisions to himself. I have to believe Mitch knew there were problems with the show and that he had to play good cop before the bad cop came in. I also believe that Dan and Jason -- especially Jason -- didn't take Mitch seriously and didn't want to change the way they were doing the show.


He was NOT keeping decisions to himself.

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Nobody gives a fuck about tone, it's the ratings that matter....


Try harder Bob.

Obviously people care about tone, and attitude from hosts. Otherwise B&G would NOT have lost so much of their audience.

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From a journalistic integrity perspective, I could understand how folks like B&G wouldn't take kindly to being told what to avoid talking about on air. But I have to wonder, is it worth doing the show you want at the expense of ratings instead of doing the show the collective audience wants to be a more popular program? And at the end of the day, these aren't columnists for the NY Times or an NPR All Things Considered reporter.

No, they're not, because people at the Times and NPR News can't blow off their editors for three months.

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I don't know, Seacrest didn't specify whether Mitch or DeCastro requested that Dan and Jason recalibrate their show. The Deacon's been here since November, but maybe he was keeping programming decisions to himself. I have to believe Mitch knew there were problems with the show and that he had to play good cop before the bad cop came in. I also believe that Dan and Jason -- especially Jason -- didn't take Mitch seriously and didn't want to change the way they were doing the show.


He was NOT keeping decisions to himself. AND IT WILL REMAIN THAT WAY


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The more this plays out the more I’m coming around to the thinking they should’ve just launched both those assholes and been done with it. Pieces of fucking garbage .

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The more this plays out the more I’m coming around to the thinking they should’ve just launched both those assholes and been done with it. Pieces of fucking garbage .
Yeah, you were a big Bernstein fan prior to hearing this. :lol:

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Seems odd that Goff is still an employee if4 he did not do what his program manager asked on show content. Sounds like he should be fired with cause. They seem afraid to launch Bernstein because he was a ratings success for such a longtime, but he might have burned his bridges to such a point that he won't be able to rebound even if he's "sticking to sports". Penn State claims another victim.

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Seems odd that Goff is still an employee is he did not do what his program manager asked on show content. Sounds like he should be fired with cause. They seem afraid to launch Bernstein because he was a ratings success for such a longtime, but he might have burned his bridges to such a point that he won't be able to rebound even if he's "sticking to sports". Penn State claims another victim.


At that level of the business I'm positive there is some creative control schema built into the talent's contract.

Also, even if there isn't, or even if DeCastro could have ordered B&G to change their show to suit him, you run right back into the problem of "Old White Guy Tells Young Black Man To Pipe Down About Social Issues Or Get Fired".


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