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You think Mac was involved?

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Well at least the youths will get the counseling they need so theyll know in the future that dropping sandbags off overpasses is wrong.

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I don't necessarily have an issue with it. Is it about rehabilitation or punishment?

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I don't necessarily have an issue with it. Is it about rehabilitation or punishment?

I dunno... you kill a guy maybe you should spend a little time at the graybar hotel.

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I don't necessarily have an issue with it. Is it about rehabilitation or punishment?

I dunno... you kill a guy maybe you should spend a little time at the graybar hotel.


Adults? Completely agree. A 14 year doing dumb kid shit? Depends

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Well at least the youths will get the counseling they need so theyll know in the future that dropping sandbags off overpasses is wrong.


Sounds like affluenza has struck again.

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Well at least the youths will get the counseling they need so theyll know in the future that dropping sandbags off overpasses is wrong.


Sounds like affluenza has struck again.


Probably.

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Similar case going through the judicial system up in Flint. They appear to be taking the death of a father of four in the Flint case more seriously. Judge has consistently denied bond for all
5 defendants and the prosecutor is going for murder charges that carry the potential to have a life sentence behind bars:

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FLINT, Mich. (AP) Police say the recent death of a vehicle passenger after teenagers allegedly threw rocks from a Flint area overpass is just one of many cases in the past four decades where people hurl debris from area bridges.

The Flint Journal reports that five teenagers have been charged with second-degree murder in connection to throwing rocks off the Interstate 75 overpass that led to 32-year-old Kenneth White's death this month.

Police say a catwalk over Interstate 475 has historically been a site where people will throw asphalt, rocks and other items at cars. They say the suspects were often children.

The events date back about four decades ago to when a woman campaigned for screens on overpasses after she had to swerve to avoid a concrete block heaved over a bridge.


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It's really dumb to essentially take the life of a child for something that millions of stupid kids do daily and have done for decades but were fortunate that no one got hurt or died.

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It's really dumb to essentially take the life of a child for something that millions of stupid kids do daily and have done for decades but were fortunate that no one got hurt or died.


Actions have consequences.

Someone died as a result of their actions.

It sucks that they happened to die this time rather than another time. Too bad.

AND WHAT IS THE CONNECTION TO DAN MCNEIL???

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It's really dumb to essentially take the life of a child for something that millions of stupid kids do daily and have done for decades but were fortunate that no one got hurt or died.

Well... they're killers. Murderers should go to jail. Sucks but that's life. Can't say they thought absolutely nothing would happen and none would possibly get hurt.

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More than a dozen rocks were allegedly thrown over the Dodge Road overpass to the highway below, which struck multiple vehicles, according to investigators.

Pickell said tires and an engine piston also were thrown from the Farrand Road overpass onto I-75, roughly three miles north from where White was killed. Several other vehicles sustained damage, including flat tires, from items thrown onto the interstate.

The rocks, one weighing 20 pounds, were gathered from a dead-end street in Vienna Township and put in the flatbed of a pickup truck, investigators said.

After throwing the items, the suspects went to eat at a local fast-food restaurant.




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Kyle Anger, 17; 16-year-olds Mark Sekelsky and Mikadyn Payne; and 15-year-olds Alexzander Miller and Trevor Gray; were charged this week on charges of second-degree murder, conspiracy to commit second-degree murder, malicious destruction of property and other felony and misdemeanor charges in connection to White's death.

Addresses for the suspects reveal tree-lined rural streets and a modest subdivision in the Clio area not far from where they allegedly picked up the rocks that were eventually dropped off the Dodge Road overpass where White was killed.

"This is an extremely difficult time for our entire community. Whether we knew Mr. White, those who are being charged and their families, or have driven this same stretch of road countless times, many of us have a personal connection with this senseless tragedy," he said.

The incident is personal for many in the community.

More than 4,000 people voted for Sekelsky's mother, Carrie Sekelsky, when she was elected to the Clio school board in 2016. Anne and Joe Anger, Kyle Anger's parents, received a combined 4,600 votes in their own 2016 campaigns for Clio school board, falling just short of being elected.



I'd have guessed one of the 15 year-olds tossed the kill-shot--an attempt to impress the older kids and/or under pressure from the older kids to do so. But they're saying the 17 year old Anger tossed the fatal rock. Wonder if Anger Nolan Ryan'd it directly at the passenger side of the van vs simply letting the rock tumble over the edge? Would a rock falling without any extra oomph break-through a windshield even.


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It's really dumb to essentially take the life of a child for something that millions of stupid kids do daily and have done for decades but were fortunate that no one got hurt or died.


Actions have consequences.

Someone died as a result of their actions.

It sucks that they happened to die this time rather than another time. Too bad.

AND WHAT IS THE CONNECTION TO DAN MCNEIL???


They do. Life in prison should never be one for a child.

Not sure what the Mac connection.

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Nas wrote:
It's really dumb to essentially take the life of a child for something that millions of stupid kids do daily and have done for decades but were fortunate that no one got hurt or died.



Jesus Christ.
This wasn't an accident, it wasn't horseplay, it's wasn't just fuckin around.
Millions of stupid kids don't drop sandbags onto highway traffic every day.
You'd have to be completely retarded to think anything other some kind of destruction
would result from such an action.
It's really dumb that a 2 year old baby doesn't have a dad (who was only 22) because some stupid kids were just joshin around and blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. :roll: :roll: :roll:
But hey, it's not about punishment, it's about rehabilitation, so when these nutsacks get out of juvie, I'm sure they'll
be all better and pinky promise to never throw heavy objects on top of moving vehicles again.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
It's really dumb to essentially take the life of a child for something that millions of stupid kids do daily and have done for decades but were fortunate that no one got hurt or died.


Actions have consequences.

Someone died as a result of their actions.

It sucks that they happened to die this time rather than another time. Too bad.

AND WHAT IS THE CONNECTION TO DAN MCNEIL???


They do. Life in prison should never be one for a child.

Not sure what the Mac connection.


Then why is it in this section??

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Nas you referenced rehabilitation as opposed to punishment, and I agree that our system should tend towards the former more often than it does the latter. However in some cases I think punishment is the rehabilitation. This wasn't a crime of need or passion. These kids weren't selling or using drugs to feed themselves or an addiction, and they werent lobbing stones at vehicles because they have little (or nothing) in the ways of an alternative means to make money.

These were punk ass kids who were acting extremely recklessly for it's own sake, and they killed a man. The way to get them to not do that again is to have them do some hard ass time in a place they are assuredly not going to like. They don't need to be taught there are consequences for recklessly killing someone, they need to live those consequences.


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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Nas wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Nas wrote:
It's really dumb to essentially take the life of a child for something that millions of stupid kids do daily and have done for decades but were fortunate that no one got hurt or died.


Actions have consequences.

Someone died as a result of their actions.

It sucks that they happened to die this time rather than another time. Too bad.

AND WHAT IS THE CONNECTION TO DAN MCNEIL???


They do. Life in prison should never be one for a child.

Not sure what the Mac connection.


Then why is it in this section??


:lol: :lol: Because I'm an idiot.

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Nas you referenced rehabilitation as opposed to punishment, and I agree that our system should tend towards the former more often than it does the latter. However in some cases I think punishment is the rehabilitation. This wasn't a crime of need or passion. These kids weren't selling or using drugs to feed themselves or an addiction, and they werent lobbing stones at vehicles because they have little (or nothing) in the ways of an alternative means to make money.

These were punk ass kids who were acting extremely recklessly for it's own sake, and they killed a man. The way to get them to not do that again is to have them do some hard ass time in a place they are assuredly not going to like. They don't need to be taught there are consequences for recklessly killing someone, they need to live those consequences.


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Nas you referenced rehabilitation as opposed to punishment, and I agree that our system should tend towards the former more often than it does the latter. However in some cases I think punishment is the rehabilitation. This wasn't a crime of need or passion. These kids weren't selling or using drugs to feed themselves or an addiction, and they werent lobbing stones at vehicles because they have little (or nothing) in the ways of an alternative means to make money.

These were punk ass kids who were acting extremely recklessly for it's own sake, and they killed a man. The way to get them to not do that again is to have them do some hard ass time in a place they are assuredly not going to like. They don't need to be taught there are consequences for recklessly killing someone, they need to live those consequences.


I completely understand the point you and SD are making. In just about every other case I would be in agreement with you all. I admittedly have a soft spot for the young and elderly. I just can't wrap my head around a kid being punished for decades for a mistake they made at 14. Their life is essentially over. They'll struggle to reassimilate themselves into our society. Our system is allegedly supposed to rehabilitate a prisoner. We should be able to find a way to do that for a child. That doesn't mean zero punishment. It just means that you aren't treating a kid like they're mentally developed like you or I.

These kids took something that MANY kids have done (throw rocks at cars) to an extreme. I seriously doubt that they were trying to kill anyone. That doesn't change the fact that a toddler won't have a father. I completely understand that. Locking young children up for decades doesn't fix it either.

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I don't necessarily have an issue with it. Is it about rehabilitation or punishment?

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I completely understand the point you and SD are making. In just about every other case I would be in agreement with you all. I admittedly have a soft spot for the young and elderly. I just can't wrap my head around a kid being punished for decades for a mistake they made at 14. Their life is essentially over. They'll struggle to reassimilate themselves into our society. Our system is allegedly supposed to rehabilitate a prisoner. We should be able to find a way to do that for a child. That doesn't mean zero punishment. It just means that you aren't treating a kid like they're mentally developed like you or I.

These kids took something that MANY kids have done (throw rocks at cars) to an extreme. I seriously doubt that they were trying to kill anyone. That doesn't change the fact that a toddler won't have a father. I completely understand that. Locking young children up for decades doesn't fix it either.


BS - This shows the bias that is our US Justice system and you are part of the problem. Should an African American teen only get treatment for 8 months and released after shooting a gun into a crowd of people? Should a Neo Nazi teenager who goes to school with an AR-15 and kills his fellow students only get 8 months of treatment and released? What these kids did is far worse than either of the former scenarios. Their upbringing affords them the opportunity to make sound decisions and none of them stopped this from happening. A lack of respect for human life isn't cured by 8 months of treatment. They should be locked up and their parents should have civil suits filed against them. My punishment for hitting a kid in the eye with a rubber band in junior high school was more severe than what these kids got. Throwing these kids in jail won't fix them, but it sure as hell will prevent their peers from doing dumb shit. What kind of message does 8 months of treatment for murdering someone send to their peers?


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Should an African American teen only get treatment for 8 months and released after shooting a gun into a crowd of people? Should a Neo Nazi teenager who goes to school with an AR-15 and kills his fellow students only get 8 months of treatment and released? What these kids did is far worse than either of the former scenarios.

No it isn't.

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My punishment for hitting a kid in the eye with a rubber band in junior high school was more severe than what these kids got.

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Nas you referenced rehabilitation as opposed to punishment, and I agree that our system should tend towards the former more often than it does the latter. However in some cases I think punishment is the rehabilitation. This wasn't a crime of need or passion. These kids weren't selling or using drugs to feed themselves or an addiction, and they werent lobbing stones at vehicles because they have little (or nothing) in the ways of an alternative means to make money.

These were punk ass kids who were acting extremely recklessly for it's own sake, and they killed a man. The way to get them to not do that again is to have them do some hard ass time in a place they are assuredly not going to like. They don't need to be taught there are consequences for recklessly killing someone, they need to live those consequences.


I completely understand the point you and SD are making. In just about every other case I would be in agreement with you all. I admittedly have a soft spot for the young and elderly. I just can't wrap my head around a kid being punished for decades for a mistake they made at 14. Their life is essentially over. They'll struggle to reassimilate themselves into our society. Our system is allegedly supposed to rehabilitate a prisoner. We should be able to find a way to do that for a child. That doesn't mean zero punishment. It just means that you aren't treating a kid like they're mentally developed like you or I.

These kids took something that MANY kids have done (throw rocks at cars) to an extreme. I seriously doubt that they were trying to kill anyone. That doesn't change the fact that a toddler won't have a father. I completely understand that. Locking young children up for decades doesn't fix it either.


These kids aren't going away for decades. A few years tops, perhaps leas if they plead out.

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