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So excited about tonight, and yes fixed my avatar for this momentous occasion.

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So excited about tonight, and yes fixed my avatar for this momentous occasion.

Huzzah!!


You got a second date with the slumpbuster--and you're going to film it?!?

By the way, I think "johnson" is preferable to "avatar" as a slang term for the male anatomy. But whatever the case, I'm glad for you that you finally got it fixed!

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Whats tonight?

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godmotherfuckingdamnit, i don't know if NBC misadvertised or if I was given the wrong info...

but i was damn sure that "30 rock" and "the office" were going to be new tonight.

i'm super pissed at myself, my country, and my god right now.

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The new crappy TV Guide from the Trib says different.


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That Tribune thing really is a disaster isn't it Spaulding?

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Did the frumpy chick in the office that has a thing for Jim get breast implants? I was watching her playing ping pong, and I don't recall her fun bags being that big.

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i'm pretty sure they're natural. she just conceals them mostly on the show because she's always wearing stuff that doesn't show her off.

watch "blades of glory".


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Bump.

THIS was the night I was talking about.

"30 Rock" was...just outstanding.

"it's all down to deborah...and deborah..."


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Bump.

THIS was the night I was talking about.

"30 Rock" was...just outstanding.

"it's all down to deborah...and deborah..."


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"The Office" was also in top form. And you know NBC is selling that CD of that guy too.


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"The Office" was also in top form. And you know NBC is selling that CD of that guy too.


when i get it, i'm going to make sweet love to my woman :lol: :lol:

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The Office storyline seems to be edging towards a series finale in which Michael may entirely lose his sanity and become entirely homicidal.

I'm not sure I like the overall direction of the show because Michael is emerging more and more as the show's main victim whereas in previous season's he was a bumbling petty tyrant, an unwitting and witless oppressor. That representation of office life rings truer to me than what's happening now with his relationship stuff. Still, I do enjoy the show's fascination with all forms of American mediocrity.

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4/10/08

Earl :thumbdown:

30 Rock :thumleft:

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THE PIT OF DISPAIR!!!

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I think The Office has done a pretty good job of not making the main storyline about Pam and Jim and completely jumping the shark.

The mounted 13" TV above the fireplace was hilarious. The whole episode had me laughing at all of the awkward moments.

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I think The Office has done a pretty good job of not making the main storyline about Pam and Jim and completely jumping the shark.

The mounted 13" TV above the fireplace was hilarious. The whole episode had me laughing at all of the awkward moments.


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Bulldog Scott wrote:
I think The Office has done a pretty good job of not making the main storyline about Pam and Jim and completely jumping the shark.

The mounted 13" TV above the fireplace was hilarious. The whole episode had me laughing at all of the awkward moments.


Yeah, the TV stuff was great. And the way the show creates awkward situations and then just draws them out into extended periods of discomfort is really amazing.

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Krazy Ivan wrote:
Bulldog Scott wrote:
I think The Office has done a pretty good job of not making the main storyline about Pam and Jim and completely jumping the shark.

The mounted 13" TV above the fireplace was hilarious. The whole episode had me laughing at all of the awkward moments.


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That TV was just a prop right? They don't make plasmas that small, do they? :lol:

On another note, I read in Entertainment Weekly (sound the burrito horn) that in next week's episode Pam is supposed to fix Michael up with someone else. Should make more tension between her and Jan.


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That TV was just a prop right? They don't make plasmas that small, do they? :lol:


If your question is serious they actually do. They are normally computer monitors though.

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That TV was just a prop right? They don't make plasmas that small, do they? :lol:


If your question is serious they actually do. They are normally computer monitors though.


Yes my question was serious, and I knew about the computer monitors. I just never saw anyone use one as their TV.


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Tall Midget wrote:
I'm not sure I like the overall direction of the show because Michael is emerging more and more as the show's main victim whereas in previous season's he was a bumbling petty tyrant, an unwitting and witless oppressor. That representation of office life rings truer to me than what's happening now with his relationship stuff. Still, I do enjoy the show's fascination with all forms of American mediocrity.


greg daniels knew that michael scott could not be david brent. it just doesn't work that way here--especially if you want the show to last with american audiences. i like that michael's more bumbling and pathetic, making him more sympathetic, rather than the sexist, overbearing self aggrandizing boss that brent was.

"the office" (bbc) was great because of how short it was--there's no way you could keep that going. but using michael scott as more of a window character and broadening his storyline is a fairly clever thing, probably the only thing, they could have done.

now you have jim and michael having a bit of chemistry as well, dwight has been fleshed out a little more--the thing is they've taken caricatures and turned them into characters. that's a credit to the strong writing of the show.

i still think it's one of the best written shows on television--certainly in terms of comedies.


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I'm not sure I like the overall direction of the show because Michael is emerging more and more as the show's main victim whereas in previous season's he was a bumbling petty tyrant, an unwitting and witless oppressor. That representation of office life rings truer to me than what's happening now with his relationship stuff. Still, I do enjoy the show's fascination with all forms of American mediocrity.


greg daniels knew that michael scott could not be david brent. it just doesn't work that way here--especially if you want the show to last with american audiences. i like that michael's more bumbling and pathetic, making him more sympathetic, rather than the sexist, overbearing self aggrandizing boss that brent was.

"the office" (bbc) was great because of how short it was--there's no way you could keep that going. but using michael scott as more of a window character and broadening his storyline is a fairly clever thing, probably the only thing, they could have done.

now you have jim and michael having a bit of chemistry as well, dwight has been fleshed out a little more--the thing is they've taken caricatures and turned them into characters. that's a credit to the strong writing of the show.

i still think it's one of the best written shows on television--certainly in terms of comedies.


I don't object to broadening Michael's storyline. It's the way that it has been broadened that bothers me. He is now portrayed as a victim of his "crazy" girlfriend, a professional woman who is evidently incapable of balancing her work and personal life. Such a representation doesn't suggest a transformation of caricature into character, but exactly the reverse. Jan now amounts to nothing more than an outdated female stereotype that reigned in the 80s backlash against feminism (in popular culture, this stereotype was most famously brought to life in Meryl Streep's Fatal Attraction character). Other female characters also amount to nothing more than a stereotype--Kelly is a domineering slut, Angela is a domineering ice queen, etc. Meanwhile, Pam apparently escapes the show's critical eye because she "knows her place" and chooses love over a career, despite her artistic aspirations. In so doing, though, she only perpetuates the stereotype that women can't have both a career and a rewarding personal life. The male characters on the show, by contrast, are more fully realized, even if several of them--most notably Michael and Dwight--have been emasculated by their significant others.

This isn't to say that the show isn't well written. It certainly comprehends the soul-killing aspects of white collar labor better than anything else on TV. And it is quite inventive in the way that it creates bizarre yet realistic situations to express the dead-end nature of the lives its characters lead-- even if it resorts to fundamentally reactionary gender stereotypes in the process of doing so. Still, I think the show would be more interesting if it skewered the members of the corporate elite as thoroughly as it does their underlings. I would be more interested in learning about the incompetence of David Wallace than I am in learning about Jan's psychological instability.

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I don't object to broadening Michael's storyline. It's the way that it has been broadened that bothers me. He is now portrayed as a victim of his "crazy" girlfriend, a professional woman who is evidently incapable of balancing her work and personal life. Such a representation doesn't suggest a transformation of caricature into character, but exactly the reverse. Jan now amounts to nothing more than an outdated female stereotype that reigned in the 80s backlash against feminism (in popular culture, this stereotype was most famously brought to life in Meryl Streep's Fatal Attraction character). Other female characters also amount to nothing more than a stereotype--Kelly is a domineering slut, Angela is a domineering ice queen, etc. Meanwhile, Pam apparently escapes the show's critical eye because she "knows her place" and chooses love over a career, despite her artistic aspirations. In so doing, though, she only perpetuates the stereotype that women can't have both a career and a rewarding personal life. The male characters on the show, by contrast, are more fully realized, even if several of them--most notably Michael and Dwight--have been emasculated by their significant others.

This isn't to say that the show isn't well written. It certainly comprehends the soul-killing aspects of white collar labor better than anything else on TV. And it is quite inventive in the way that it creates bizarre yet realistic situations to express the dead-end nature of the lives its characters lead-- even if it resorts to fundamentally reactionary gender stereotypes in the process of doing so. Still, I think the show would be more interesting if it skewered the members of the corporate elite as thoroughly as it does their underlings. I would be more interested in learning about the incompetence of David Wallace than I am in learning about Jan's psychological instability.


I don't know that any of the male characters have been presented in any more of a positive light than the female characters. I think they all are used in different ways of satire--there have been moments where the writers have taken the characters too seriously themselves, but I still think the show holds true to its target.

I think they could definitely do more corporate satire but who knows, may be on its way...


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I was expecting the Ryan Howard promotion was going to allow for more upper management satire. He is perfectly set up for it too, here is a person who never makes a sale but is move up to middle/upper management because of qualifications.

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I don't object to broadening Michael's storyline. It's the way that it has been broadened that bothers me. He is now portrayed as a victim of his "crazy" girlfriend, a professional woman who is evidently incapable of balancing her work and personal life. Such a representation doesn't suggest a transformation of caricature into character, but exactly the reverse. Jan now amounts to nothing more than an outdated female stereotype that reigned in the 80s backlash against feminism (in popular culture, this stereotype was most famously brought to life in Meryl Streep's Fatal Attraction character). Other female characters also amount to nothing more than a stereotype--Kelly is a domineering slut, Angela is a domineering ice queen, etc. Meanwhile, Pam apparently escapes the show's critical eye because she "knows her place" and chooses love over a career, despite her artistic aspirations. In so doing, though, she only perpetuates the stereotype that women can't have both a career and a rewarding personal life. The male characters on the show, by contrast, are more fully realized, even if several of them--most notably Michael and Dwight--have been emasculated by their significant others.

This isn't to say that the show isn't well written. It certainly comprehends the soul-killing aspects of white collar labor better than anything else on TV. And it is quite inventive in the way that it creates bizarre yet realistic situations to express the dead-end nature of the lives its characters lead-- even if it resorts to fundamentally reactionary gender stereotypes in the process of doing so. Still, I think the show would be more interesting if it skewered the members of the corporate elite as thoroughly as it does their underlings. I would be more interested in learning about the incompetence of David Wallace than I am in learning about Jan's psychological instability.


I don't know that any of the male characters have been presented in any more of a positive light than the female characters. I think they all are used in different ways of satire--there have been moments where the writers have taken the characters too seriously themselves, but I still think the show holds true to its target.

I think they could definitely do more corporate satire but who knows, may be on its way...


It's not so much a question of "positivity" as it is a question of stereotyping. Characters like Jim, Dwight and Andy are allowed much more individuality than any of the stereotypical female characters. It's interesting that the show seems to flaunt its defiance of stereotypes when portraying blacks and gays, but its treatment of women is marked by an aggressive reproduction of stereotypes.

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[its treatment of women is marked by an aggressive reproduction .


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Tall Midget wrote:

It's not so much a question of "positivity" as it is a question of stereotyping. Characters like Jim, Dwight and Andy are allowed much more individuality than any of the stereotypical female characters. It's interesting that the show seems to flaunt its defiance of stereotypes when portraying blacks and gays, but its treatment of women is marked by an aggressive reproduction of stereotypes.


you don't think andy's a stereotype? or dwight? they have certainly expanded the role of dwight, and i think they could do with expanding a few other of the females, but i don't know that any of these characters have gotten all that much fleshing out...i still think of michael as more stereotypical...

you may be right, i think that it can be said about a lot of shows, not just "The Office"--but I don't think it takes away from the show.

As I had...exhaustingly said before...the only thing I didn't like about "The Office" was when they started turning it into hour long dramedy episodes. It was just...too draggy.


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