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In Bamba i see the next Hasheem Thabeet.

All these prospects have bust potential but it's a little ridiculous to suggest Bamba won't average 3 rpg for his career :lol:


It might have been ridiculous to that about Thabeet also. It won't seem ridiculous if he plays little because he stinks.

Whenever a guy is all upside which if translated comes out to "he ain't shit now but there is a chance that he could be" you shouldn't fuck with him

He's already a great defensive player. It's not all based on potential.

I think his floor is much higher than Thabeet's. Thabeet is a bit of an extreme example. It's unlikely that Bamba becomes one of the worst players in the history of the NBA even if he "stinks" and is a bust.


Thabeet was much more dominant of a college player than Bamba. Bamba is still very much a project.

Of course he's a project.

I'm willing to wager any amount up to $100 that he averages more than 3 rpg next year as a rookie. (5 GP minimum to qualify). What do you say?



He could avg more than three boards. It still doesn't mean he won't be Hasheem Thabeet.

I'm willing to bet that he is closer to Hasheem Thabeet than Rudy Gobert. If you want to take that bet I'm all in. Unfortunately it may take 3 years to accurately determine it.

I have "no doubt" as to whether he is the next Gobert or not.

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He could avg more than three boards. It still doesn't mean he won't be Hasheem Thabeet.

I'm willing to bet that he is closer to Hasheem Thabeet than Rudy Gobert. If you want to take that bet I'm all in. Unfortunately it may take 3 years to accurately determine it.

I have "no doubt" as to whether he is the next Gobert or not.

Every prospect outside the top 3-5 is more likely to be a bust than a star. That's not saying much. I agree Bamba is more likely to be a bust than a great player. Same is true for every player that is available at 6.

I'm not even super high on Bamba. I just think it's flat out ridiculous to predict he's going to be as bad as the biggest draft bust in NBA history and one of the worst overall players in NBA history. It's the flip side of predicting he's going to be the next Bill Russell.

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 Post subject: Re: Bulls draft talk
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He could avg more than three boards. It still doesn't mean he won't be Hasheem Thabeet.

I'm willing to bet that he is closer to Hasheem Thabeet than Rudy Gobert. If you want to take that bet I'm all in. Unfortunately it may take 3 years to accurately determine it.

I have "no doubt" as to whether he is the next Gobert or not.

Every prospect outside the top 3-5 is more likely to be a bust than a star. That's not saying much. I agree Bamba is more likely to be a bust than a great player. Same is true for every player that is available at 6.

I'm not even super high on Bamba. I just think it's flat out ridiculous to predict he's going to be as bad as the biggest draft bust in NBA history and one of the worst overall players in NBA history. It's the flip side of predicting he's going to be the next Bill Russell.


What i find is that your proclamations regarding ridiculous more often than not aren't in retrospect. It was also ridiculous to think that Nerlens Noel was a bum too.

Many outside of 3-5 won't be busts. There are finds to be found inside of the top 20.

There will be a number of guys drafted after Bamba who will be better than him. "Hoping" that he is the next Gobert isn't reason enough to draft him 6th.

If there are guys (a number in fact) who you think will be better then you don't draft him that high.

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Thank you captain obvious :lol:

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Also, Noel has already had a better career than Thabeet. You’re wrong if you think they are the same level of bust.

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Also, Noel has already had a better career than Thabeet. You’re wrong if you think they are the same level of bust.



Now we are arguing "bust" degrees? Either a person is a bust or they aren't.

I'd be willing to bet that Bamba won't be Gobert. I'm fairly certain of that.

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Also, Noel has already had a better career than Thabeet. You’re wrong if you think they are the same level of bust.



Now we are arguing "bust" degrees? Either a person is a bust or they aren't.

I'd be willing to bet that Bamba won't be Gobert. I'm fairly certain of that.

Strong limb you are out on there.

I’d be willing to bet Porter Jr won’t become LeBron James. I’m fairly certain of that.

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 Post subject: Re: Bulls draft talk
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In Bamba i see the next Hasheem Thabeet.



You must have forgot that your original point involved him having the "potential" to be the next Gobert. Now you are saying he has no chance to be Gobert. Who the hell you crappin?

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Mo Bamba, congrats you drafted Nerlens Noel.

Maybe. Or maybe you get the next Gobert. With that wingspan the potential is there. I'd be willing to risk it at 6.



WYC?

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In Bamba i see the next Hasheem Thabeet.



You must have forgot that your original point involved him having the "potential" to be the next Gobert. Now you are saying he has no chance to be Gobert. Who the hell you crappin?

Huh? When did I say that? I think it's unlikely but I see the potential from what I've seen and read for him to be a difference maker on that end. That type of guy would pair well with Lauri. You disagree. Cool. Not everything needs to turn in to a 4 page argument.

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Mo Bamba, congrats you drafted Nerlens Noel.

Maybe. Or maybe you get the next Gobert. With that wingspan the potential is there. I'd be willing to risk it at 6.



WYC?

Are you drunk? What are you trying to say here?

My position has been clear: I wouldn't mind them drafting Bamba because I think he has Gobert type of potential with his height and wingspan and style of play. I acknowledged it's unlikely he will reach that ceiling because most prospects don't. I think he's worth the risk.

None of this should have been confusing, and none of it is contradictory or WYC material. I think you're a bit lost at this point in the thread.

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 Post subject: Re: Bulls draft talk
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In Bamba i see the next Hasheem Thabeet.



You must have forgot that your original point involved him having the "potential" to be the next Gobert. Now you are saying he has no chance to be Gobert. Who the hell you crappin?

Huh? When did I say that? I think it's unlikely but I see the potential from what I've seen and read for him to be a difference maker on that end. That type of guy would pair well with Lauri. You disagree. Cool. Not everything needs to turn in to a 4 page argument.


Not every thought has to be "ridiculous" simply because you disagree with it either. I just bumped the comment where you said he has the potential to be the next "Gobert". Now you are suggesting he has no chance to be the next Gobert. Again Who you Crappin?

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Now you are suggesting he has no chance to be the next Gobert.

Once again, I never said this. Like I suggested in my above post, you seem lost in this thread.

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Mo Bamba, congrats you drafted Nerlens Noel.

Maybe. Or maybe you get the next Gobert. With that wingspan the potential is there. I'd be willing to risk it at 6.



WYC?

Are you drunk? What are you trying to say here?

My position has been clear: I wouldn't mind them drafting Bamba because I think he has Gobert type of potential with his height and wingspan and style of play. I acknowledged it's unlikely he will reach that ceiling because most prospects don't. I think he's worth the risk.

None of this should have been confusing, and none of it is contradictory or WYC material. I think you're a bit lost at this point in the thread.



Maybe you are confused by the meaning of the word "potential". You are taking the oxymoronic position of saying that he both has and doesn't have the potential of being the next Gobert.


Something is rather off with that.

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Also, Noel has already had a better career than Thabeet. You’re wrong if you think they are the same level of bust.



Now we are arguing "bust" degrees? Either a person is a bust or they aren't.

I'd be willing to bet that Bamba won't be Gobert. I'm fairly certain of that.

Strong limb you are out on there.

I’d be willing to bet Porter Jr won’t become LeBron James. I’m fairly certain of that.


Then what type of analogy is this supposed to be then?

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If we stay at #6, I would absolutely love Bamba. You can’t teach a 7’9” wingspan. Wilt Chamberlain measured 7’8”. That’s a lot of alley oops and a lot of second chance opportunities. He’s not a bad shooter either. That can be taught/improved over time. Lauri and Bamba together would be fun.

If Bamba is gone, I’m staying away from Porter because back surgery is scary for a basketball player. Also passing on Young. I gamble on Doncic if available. If not, I go with Bridges.

Bagley all the way if we land in the top 3.


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I don't give a shit if he has a 50% bust ratio.. Trae Young also has a high percentage of becoming a superstar in this league with his shooting and passing. The comps to Curry are a bit much but he's basically a poor mans Curry shooting wise with Nash like passing. You can't pass that up.

He has no wingspan whatsoever. He's not a great athlete. He's going to give you Isaiah Thomas level of defense in the NBA. Don't want anything to do with him in the lottery.


I'm fine with

Ayton
Donicic
JJ Jr
Bagley
Porter
Sexton
Bamba

Would not complain about any of those with their first pick.


No Jackson from MSU?

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I don't give a shit if he has a 50% bust ratio.. Trae Young also has a high percentage of becoming a superstar in this league with his shooting and passing. The comps to Curry are a bit much but he's basically a poor mans Curry shooting wise with Nash like passing. You can't pass that up.

He has no wingspan whatsoever. He's not a great athlete. He's going to give you Isaiah Thomas level of defense in the NBA. Don't want anything to do with him in the lottery.


I'm fine with

Ayton
Donicic
JJ Jr
Bagley
Porter
Sexton
Bamba

Would not complain about any of those with their first pick.


No Jackson from MSU?


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So they are promised, 1 of

Ayton
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Porter
Trae Young

Mark Shaunowksi also brought up a good point, Orlando is so desperate for a PG they will likely pass on someone like Porter, dropping him to the Bulls. I do feel good about at least getting one of these guys.



You forgot Bamba and Mikal Bridges.

I would be shocked if the Bulls drafted anyone besides Mikal Bridges.

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I don't give a shit if he has a 50% bust ratio.. Trae Young also has a high percentage of becoming a superstar in this league with his shooting and passing. The comps to Curry are a bit much but he's basically a poor mans Curry shooting wise with Nash like passing. You can't pass that up.


I tend to agree with this.

Lots of good players in this draft, but if we're at 6 and the choice is Trae, Bamba, Bridges or Porter I'd have a hard time passing up Trae. Bamba is intriguing as well, at worst he becomes an all defensive type of player and there's nothign wrong with having one of those.

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I don't give a shit if he has a 50% bust ratio.. Trae Young also has a high percentage of becoming a superstar in this league with his shooting and passing. The comps to Curry are a bit much but he's basically a poor mans Curry shooting wise with Nash like passing. You can't pass that up.



I see Dana Barros. To me he is destined to be a 6th man. His shot selection stinks and he couldn't check a ham sandwich.

Let some other GM get whacked for selecting him.

He only shot 36% from the college 3 point line. He can shoot but with terrible shot selection it is sort of nullified.


He took bad shots because the rest of that Oklahoma team was hot garbage



yep, and every single shot he took this year was contested. Not on exaggeration, every single one. And usually contested by a double team.

His shooting percentage is actually quite impressive when you factor in the degree of difficulty.

He also shot a great free throw % which is a strong indicator that a player will be a great shooter at the next level.

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MANY people will be pissed if the Bulls pass on Trae Young and he's the next Steve Nash/Steph Curry hybrid.


MANY more will be mad if they draft him and he turns out to be Jimmer Fredette.


Nope. I won't care one bit. That's what this pick is for. To swing for the fences. I'm not putting up with a tank to draft Mikal Bridges.



Agree 100%. No matter who they pick, it better be a swing for the fences type of selection.

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I am all aboard the Trae Young train after reading this thread and will defend this position viciously as if I had any idea what I'm talking about.


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Have you seen Clint Capella play this week?


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A great one has a ton of value.

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He could avg more than three boards. It still doesn't mean he won't be Hasheem Thabeet.

I'm willing to bet that he is closer to Hasheem Thabeet than Rudy Gobert. If you want to take that bet I'm all in. Unfortunately it may take 3 years to accurately determine it.

I have "no doubt" as to whether he is the next Gobert or not.

Every prospect outside the top 3-5 is more likely to be a bust than a star. That's not saying much. I agree Bamba is more likely to be a bust than a great player. Same is true for every player that is available at 6.

I'm not even super high on Bamba. I just think it's flat out ridiculous to predict he's going to be as bad as the biggest draft bust in NBA history and one of the worst overall players in NBA history. It's the flip side of predicting he's going to be the next Bill Russell.



How in the hell is anyone even arguing a player is going to average three rebounds a game being drafted?

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He could avg more than three boards. It still doesn't mean he won't be Hasheem Thabeet.

I'm willing to bet that he is closer to Hasheem Thabeet than Rudy Gobert. If you want to take that bet I'm all in. Unfortunately it may take 3 years to accurately determine it.

I have "no doubt" as to whether he is the next Gobert or not.

Every prospect outside the top 3-5 is more likely to be a bust than a star. That's not saying much. I agree Bamba is more likely to be a bust than a great player. Same is true for every player that is available at 6.

I'm not even super high on Bamba. I just think it's flat out ridiculous to predict he's going to be as bad as the biggest draft bust in NBA history and one of the worst overall players in NBA history. It's the flip side of predicting he's going to be the next Bill Russell.



How in the hell is anyone even arguing a player is going to average three rebounds a game being drafted?

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