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good dolphin

Post subject: Re: Roquon Smith

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:42 pm

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America wrote:

Pace needs to have a first rounder he can point to and say "look! I know what I'm doing!" so he went the safest route. That's the only reason this happened. Its self preservation.

He just signed new paper for three more years. That is self preservation

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Post subject: Re: Roquon Smith

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:47 pm

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I don't know if they are even projecting him to regularly pass rush. All of his blitzing will be as a result of deception. I want a guy with that kind of speed dropping into coverage anyway.

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Post subject: Re: Roquon Smith

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:51 pm

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Bernstein and McDoink had his HS coach on earlier. He described a big game, Smith went for 250+ yards on 16 carries for 3 touchdowns on the offensive side and had 24 tackles, 8 of them for losses. I know it's HS, but that's just sick. He also talked about how he has grown and put muscle on and never lost a bit of speed. He's going to need to play at around 245+lbs, so if he can keep the speed and get bigger, that's a plus.

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Post subject: Re: Roquon Smith

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:54 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

I don't know if they are even projecting him to regularly pass rush. All of his blitzing will be as a result of deception. I want a guy with that kind of speed dropping into coverage anyway.

But that was the ONE thing Floyd was REALLY good at when healthy. They need a straight up fucking terror on the outside rushing the passer.

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Post subject: Re: Roquon Smith

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:43 pm

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Caller Bob wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

I don't know if they are even projecting him to regularly pass rush. All of his blitzing will be as a result of deception. I want a guy with that kind of speed dropping into coverage anyway.

But that was the ONE thing Floyd was REALLY good at when healthy. They need a straight up fucking terror on the outside rushing the passer.

I don't think that guy was available in this draft, even if they got Chubb. Edmunds pass rushing ability is only a projection (Smith had more sacks than him this year). Davenport had a variety of questions attached to his game.

There are about 3-4 one dimensional pass rushers coming up in round 2. They are guys who have definitely had success getting to the QB. However, they are not big enough to hold up against the run to be 3 down players.

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Post subject: Re: Roquon Smith

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:22 pm

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Caller Bob wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

I don't know if they are even projecting him to regularly pass rush. All of his blitzing will be as a result of deception. I want a guy with that kind of speed dropping into coverage anyway.

But that was the ONE thing Floyd was REALLY good at when healthy. They need a straight up fucking terror on the outside rushing the passer.

I agree with you Bob, but Chubb was the only 'safe' pick in this draft in regards to pass rusher imo

We have 2 4th round picks as it is -if Key is still sitting there when the Bears 1st of those 4th round picks is on the clock, I'm good with them taking a swing at him in that slot. Similar to taking a swing at Eddie Jackson in the 4th last year, the 4th is where I start looking for 'boom or bust' guys that slid for whatever reason.

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Post subject: Re: Roquon Smith

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:34 pm

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They aren't drafting Key. They probably wouldn't even invite him to camp.

Pace wants to win with his gay little band of choir boys. Another needless self-inflicted handicap the Bears insist on.

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Post subject: Re: Roquon Smith

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:40 pm

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America wrote:

They aren't drafting Key. They probably wouldn't even invite him to camp.

They met with him pre-draft. Clearly there's some interest.

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Post subject: Re: Roquon Smith

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:26 pm

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The Hawk wrote:

billypootons wrote:

all you need to watch is the GIF of the delayed blitz and how quickly he gets home.... it moved for me watching that.

Um. Any linebacker in college football can get to the quarterback when there is no one between him and the quarterback. What would have happened if there was a 320# guard or tackle between him and that qb?

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Post subject: Re: Roquon Smith

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:30 pm

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Caller Bob wrote:

billypootons wrote:

all you need to watch is the GIF of the delayed blitz and how quickly he gets home.... it moved for me watching that.

That won't be available much in the NFL. The back blew his assignment. You take the inside guys first..all the time as a blocking RB...outside comes last.

The back was sliding out to the flat as a bail out option, he wasn't supposed to block anyone. What are you talking about here?

The right guard slides to the right and touches no one, if there's a blown blocking assignment in the gif, it's the guard, not the RB.

Either way, that gif demonstrates one of the things scouts love about Smith -his ability to correctly diagnose plays in real time on the fly and make the correct play. He doesn't bite for even a second on the PA, and that's important in a league that's going to become very heavy on RPO style football.

And the above gif demonstrates his very real ability to blow up a linemen if needed. He won't win every battle -no one does, not even D-linemen. But he is very capable of doing it. And that was on a downhill running play too where the guard is coming forward.

Reading some comments in here has exposed a couple of things to me about some posters in this thread:

1. Most of you have never seen Roquan Smith play.
2. Most of you have no idea what you're talking about, even when visuals are presented to you.

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Post subject: Re: Roquon Smith

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:53 pm

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Dewskie wrote:

America wrote:

They aren't drafting Key. They probably wouldn't even invite him to camp.

They met with him pre-draft. Clearly there's some interest.

Due diligence. They won't touch him.

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Post subject: Re: Roquon Smith

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:58 pm

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America wrote:

Dewskie wrote:

America wrote:

They aren't drafting Key. They probably wouldn't even invite him to camp.

They met with him pre-draft. Clearly there's some interest.

Due diligence. They won't touch him.

1. absurdly strong opinion based entirely on personal speculation

2. counterpoint proposing plausibility based on verified report

3. unreasonable desecration of source based on nothing

4. man drifts further from god's light

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Post subject: Re: Roquon Smith

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:01 pm

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Pace got his safe pick yesterday so I def. can see him taking a risk on Key. Hell they drafted a chubby Division 3 TE last year in the 2nd round.

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Post subject: Re: Roquan Smithe

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:33 pm

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You added an “e” to Smith?

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Post subject: Re: Roquan Smithe

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:09 pm

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leashyourkids wrote:

You added an “e” to Smith?

George ofman called him "Roe Conn Swift " today.

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Post subject: Re: Roquan Smithe

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:39 pm

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leashyourkids wrote:

You added an “e” to Smith?

Looks like mods up to their tricks again.

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Post subject: Re: Roquan Smithe

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:07 pm

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The newest member of the Bears was introduced on Friday, as linebacker Roquan Smith spoke with members of the media at Halas Hall.

Smith noted that he was a huge fan growing up of Ole Miss and San Francisco 49ers linebacker Patrick Willis, a five-time All-Pro and seven-time Pro Bowler. Willis, of course, played under defensive coordinator Vic Fangio, who Smith will play under in Chicago.

And that's good news. Because the similarities between Smith and Willis, who will get Hall of Fame consideration in 2020, are striking.

Measurements at the Combine

Smith: 6-foot-1, 236 pounds
Willis: 6-foot-1, 240 pounds

40-yard dash at the Combine

Smith: 4.51 seconds
Willis: 4.51 seconds

College conference

Smith: SEC (Georgia)
Willis: SEC (Ole Miss)

Awards won

Smith: Dick Butkus Award (2017)
Willis: Dick Butkus Award (2006)

First LB taken in the draft

Smith: 8th overall
Willis: 11th overall

Collegiate All-Americans

Smith: 2017
Willis: 2005, 2006

First Team All-SEC

Smith: 2017
Willis: 2005, 2006

Career Tackles for Loss

Smith: 20.5
Willis: 21

Career Sacks

Smith: 6.5
Willis: 6

Career tackles

Smith: 252
Willis: 265

Career forced fumbles

Smith: 3
Willis: 2

Senior year stats

Smith: 137 tackles, 85 solo, 52 assists, 14 TFL, 6.5 sacks, 2 FR, 1 FF
Willis: 137 tackles, 87 solo, 50 assists, 11.5 TFL, 3 sacks, 1 FR, 2 FF

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Post subject: Re: Roquan Smithe

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:22 am

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From reading about Smith last night and talking to one of my sons, I am more amped about this selection than I originally was. They did need to do something about how porous their defense against the run was and this kid does play hard and fills gaps yet has the speed against tight ends in coverage. THe one thing that I question is his height and reach. We will see how it all plays out.

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Post subject: Re: Roquan Smithe

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:43 am

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ok so we got patrick willis in the first round? circa madden 08 he was always one of my first acquisitions whenever i started up a franchise mode team because that speed at MLB = perfect for video games. speed makes up for everything in a video game. if real life is a videogame i reckon the bears are set.

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Post subject: Re: Roquon Smith

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:43 am

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billypootons wrote:

Dewskie wrote:

America wrote:

Pace needs to have a first rounder he can point to and say "look! I know what I'm doing!" so he went the safest route. That's the only reason this happened. Its self preservation.

People thought Kevin White was the same type of "safe & fills a need" pick, and now Pace gets routinely crucified for it.

nobody thought that.... they saw white's measureables and overlooked the fact he was very unpolished as a WR and ran a limited route tree at WV

I agree that White was a measureables pick. A terrible waste for a high draft pick.

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Post subject: Re: Roquon Smith

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:53 am

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billypootons wrote:

The Hawk wrote:

billypootons wrote:

all you need to watch is the GIF of the delayed blitz and how quickly he gets home.... it moved for me watching that.

Um. The clip illustrates his elite speed, and also the fact the QB wasn't able to shake him shows his tackling ability. you see it all the time in the pros a free blitzer gets faked out by the Qb and the QB escapes. jeez, some of you are even more negative than i am

Say whatever you want to, but these highlight videos can be very deceiving. Watching a linebacker go unimpeded to a quarterback don't show me much. I think Smith will be a starting NFL player but I doubt he is going to be much of a difference maker. I felt the same way as I did with Floyd. Floyd was/is skinny and injury prone while Smith is short.

I think the pressure is now on Fangio to show his stuff. The Bears were very weak on run defense last year and he added two lbs and a DT. And free agency is still out there and the Bears have money to play with. We will see.

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Post subject: Re: Roquan Smithe

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 9:19 am

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FWIW, the Chargers apparently had Smith as the overall number 1 on their board. https://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2018/4 ... -nfl-draft

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ZephMarshack wrote:

FWIW, the Chargers apparently had Smith as the overall number 1 on their board. https://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2018/4 ... -nfl-draft

Zeph, I saw a draft analysis article that said he fits perfectly into Fangio's defensive scheme. I was under the assumption that he was better suited for a traditional 4-3 alignment. What are your thoughts on his fit for the Bears?

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Post subject: Re: Roquan Smithe

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denisdman wrote:

ZephMarshack wrote:

FWIW, the Chargers apparently had Smith as the overall number 1 on their board. https://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2018/4 ... -nfl-draft

I haven't studied Smith's tape enough to have any particular insight into whether he can play in a 3-4 or not. Most of my concerns with the pick centered on how harsh the league can be on guys his size in general than on fit within an existing scheme.

I'll confess though that I'm pretty tired of the tendency of coaches these days (especially ones who are largely unaccomplished) to look for players to fit their sacred schemes rather than designing and adjusting their schemes to fit the talent they have. This tends to happen a lot more on offense than defense though, and admittedly the choice of 4-3 vs 3-4 is a lot more fundamental and substantive than what goes on when OCs prattle on about fit for their own rigid schemes. That being said, I still think "fit" as something approaching a be-all virtue has gotten a bit overstated these days and that's why I was never especially concerned about the Smith pick for that reason at least.

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Post subject: Re: Roquan Smithe

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:07 am

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denisdman wrote:

ZephMarshack wrote:

FWIW, the Chargers apparently had Smith as the overall number 1 on their board. https://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2018/4 ... -nfl-draft

I think he's a good fit in any good scheme, he's a real football player. He did nothing all year except make plays. Even in the two games where Georgia got mashed, he made plays. And I think the day 2 moves were a major improvement for Pace.

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Post subject: Re: Roquan Smithe

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:12 am

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Everything I have heard makes me feel good about this pick. I am excited to see him play and how they use him. We all know the Bears needs play makers on defense, so he should be a cornerstone.

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Post subject: Re: Roquan Smithe

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:14 am

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Fangio's two stud inside linebackers in SF...Willis and Bowman, both out of the league before 30. It does beat the shit out of you.

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Post subject: Re: Roquan Smithe

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:16 am

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Caller Bob wrote:

Fangio's two stud inside linebackers in SF...Willis and Bowman, both out of the league before 30. It does beat the shit out of you.

Well we have a 1st round receiver who can barely make it on the field and a 1st round lineman who has become perpetually injured. So I guess I'll take 6-8 good years and worry about position longevity later.

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Post subject: Re: Roquon Smith

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:27 am

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The Hawk wrote:

billypootons wrote:

Dewskie wrote:

America wrote:

Pace needs to have a first rounder he can point to and say "look! I know what I'm doing!" so he went the safest route. That's the only reason this happened. Its self preservation.

People thought Kevin White was the same type of "safe & fills a need" pick, and now Pace gets routinely crucified for it.

nobody thought that.... they saw white's measureables and overlooked the fact he was very unpolished as a WR and ran a limited route tree at WV

I agree that White was a measureables pick. A terrible waste for a high draft pick.

I will not give Pace a complete pass on White but there were infrastructure issues within the organization that came into play at arriving at that pick. It was a bad spot for a first time GM.

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Post subject: Re: Roquan Smithe

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:28 am

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Caller Bob wrote:

Fangio's two stud inside linebackers in SF...Willis and Bowman, both out of the league before 30. It does beat the shit out of you.

I kind of wonder about the atmosphere out there. Even the LB from Wisconsin retired after what, one year?

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